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| Quote ="DemonUK"The one mentioned by Millward and others'"
He doesn't mention a contract and neither has anybody else?
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| mcarthy god young player and needs experience all good young players should help your squad. just hope none get injured
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| Quote ="dave@twist"Ben Davies is defo going to Widnes been some wrangling over money?? according to my sources lenigan and hogan had agreed to send Ben to Leigh, but the coaching staff decided he would be better off at Widnes?? even though Ben would prefer to play for his hometown club.
Dont know how this is going to benefit Ben when the chances of 1st team rugby are going to be slim.'"
Sorry Dave, I don't think he'd go to Widnes to play in the reserves, he's been doing that for the past 2 years at Wigan. He'll go there for first team football and will get it ahead of Widnes' props, he's better than their young props.
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| stop being so 'holier than thou' Alex the promises were all coming from the Wigan camp (for which Leigh have publically thanked the Wigan club for) and they have not delivered on those promises, you are obviously hardened to the tricks being played by them on your speccies, or are you so thick skinned as to think that less of your speccies would have travelled if they had known before the tickets went on sale that the agreement had been broken and that Wigan were sending a youth team (if that isnt so I look forwad to seeing 1500 of your speccies at Orrell next week.)
Pardon me for not going down on my knees and praying to the sun god that the mighty SL club had agreed to play such unworthy opponents but If you had bothered to read what I wrote I actually said I was thankfull that Wigan had sent a team at all so the last line in your post in reply to me just shows arrogance personified and unfortunately typical of some SL spectators, something which I hoped was above you, and you should know by now im not usually Wigan RFC basher
I look forward to the two club working closer but the initial signs don't look good.
Dave Wigan will not allow Davies to play reserve team football at Widnes, Wigan insist all their loan signings (forget the dual contract malarky things have not changed that much) be given first team football that is their club policy - and rightly so IMO they will learn nothing from playing in a lesser comp than they already do.
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| Quote ="FredParky"stop being so 'holier than thou' Alex the promises were all coming from the Wigan camp (for which Leigh have publically thanked the Wigan club for) and they have not delivered on those promises, you are obviously hardened to the tricks being played by them on your speccies, or are you so thick skinned as to think that less of your speccies would have travelled if they had known before the tickets went on sale that the agreement had been broken and that Wigan were sending a youth team (if that isnt so I look forwad to seeing 1500 of your speccies at Orrell next week.)
Pardon me for not going down on my knees and praying to the sun god that the mighty SL club had agreed to play such unworthy opponents but If you had bothered to read what I wrote I actually said I was thankfull that Wigan had sent a team at all so the last line in your post in reply to me just shows arrogance personified and unfortunately typical of some SL spectators, something which I hoped was above you, and you should know by now im not usually Wigan RFC basher
I look forward to the two club working closer but the initial signs don't look good.
Dave Wigan will not allow Davies to play reserve team football at Widnes, Wigan insist all their loan signings (forget the dual contract malarky things have not changed that much) be given first team football that is their club policy - and rightly so IMO they will learn nothing from playing in a lesser comp than they already do.'"
Bad day Fred?
The club didn't play tricks on our supporters what so ever. If they had common sense they'd realise the game was a friendly and that the team was obviously going to include youngsters and I believe the club didn't know what Maguire's selection would be before they put the tickets on sale, so more fool the supporters who pre-purchased tickets. Those supporters shouldn't be considered in Maguire's on field preperations and neither should Leigh.
In regards to the last line, it's not arrogance what so ever. Leigh aren't a charity, they are a fully operational Rugby League club and we have no ties with them. Ian Lenegan said they'd like to see Leigh in Super League and would help them and we have done already with the two friendlies regardless of what team was sent from Wigan. Also, there have, is and will be loan player negotaitions between the two clubs. Whether they pull off or not is another story but there ARE attempts to agree terms.
Any help/co-operation/agreements with Wigan is better than none at all, and it's pathetic that there are Leythers whinging about Wigan's recent involvement of the club. It seems to me that some people feel patronised that Wigan are offering to help and are jumping at the chance to take a swipe at the club should the new relationship not go totally Leigh's way.
I really hope your club doesn't share the same view and biterness that some of it's supporters do. Otherwise I hope Lenegan sticks two fingers up at you all and concentrate on working alongside a club such as Widnes whom we're on great terms with.
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| When Latics next take priority would you rather play at LSV or Widnes?
Lenegan is keeping options open, but Davies wants to come to Leigh, lives here, socialises here and may still be in education here. I understand deals are trying to be done with you taking some of our academy, that is mutual benefit.
The fact TOC is hacked off shouldnt come before the players interests, so far its one way.
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| Quote ="maurice"When Latics next take priority would you rather play at LSV or Widnes?
Lenegan is keeping options open, but Davies wants to come to Leigh, lives here, socialises here and may still be in education here. I understand deals are trying to be done with you taking some of our academy, that is mutual benefit.
The fact TOC is hacked off shouldnt come before the players interests, so far its one way.'"
I'd rather play at the LSV, without a doubt.
It's nothing about Davies' social connections with Leigh, it's how he will develop as a player in the right team with the right coaches in the right surroundings. Wigan obviously feel he will benefit more at Widnes, not only that we need Ben to be playing at the highest level possible along side the league's best players and based off last season, he wouldn't achieve this playing with Leigh. There's also the Millward factor, which may have played a part too. Or it could all be down to money. Either way, Wigan didn't let Davies go to Widnes down to spite, there would have been a rational reason.
Just because you've missed out on Davies doesn't mean you'll get no players at all. Like I say, I know at least one player in talks with Leigh.
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| Nothing to do with a hatred of Millward, IMO he failed when he came to you, failed to get you relegated.
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| Quote ="DemonUK"Nothing to do with a hatred of Millward, IMO he failed when he came to you, failed to get you relegated.'"
No, he succeeded. But we cheated our way out of it.
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| Reasonable arguments is a bad day?
Says it all then Alex, one hopes a club isnt as arrogant as its fans appear.
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| I couldn't even be bothered to mention that the cheating
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| I do not think it is anything to do with better coaching at Widnes which incidentally I think the Leigh coaching team would find rather offensive.
It is about money I think.So why not just tell the truth.
By the way I also agree with Demon.
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| ABP what an arrogant man you are,shame on you
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| Quote ="AJ Viking"McCarthy did well in the Wire first team back end of last year but he is 21, so he should be making an impact.
[uMitchell is the better player out the 3[/u and will turn out to be a very good SL player.'"
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| Why all the fuss about W***n?! Warrington sent their full team for the friendly with us, and appear to be offering us three good young lads, on dual contracts. Maybe we should just forget about the "agreement" with W***n and concentrate on building future relationships with the Wolves?
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| Quote ="Alan"Why all the fuss about W***n?! Warrington sent their full team for the friendly with us, and appear to be offering us three good young lads, on dual contracts. Maybe we should just forget about the "agreement" with W***n and concentrate on building future relationships with the Wolves?'"
After reading wot you've posted I agree building a relationship with Wolves seems to be a great way forward for us as a club with asperations & they've already started cheers Warrington
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| Ainscough and Farrell going to Widnes as well now according to the goons and Widnes boards.
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| They will have a great reserve side won't they ?
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| I agree Alan, Warrington really have been bending over backwards to help us. Actions speak louder than words eh?
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| Quote ="mcfc/wire"www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/10/02/04/RUGBYL_Widnes.html
All 3 of the Wire lads will do well for you IF they have signed for you .'"
I hope they have mate and as has been said Warrington do seem to want to help us to which we thank them for.
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| Quote ="ABP'"Just because you've missed out on Davies doesn't mean you'll get no players at all. Like I say, I know at least one player in talks with Leigh.'"
And for some reason we keep turning it down, despite the fact we badly need a player in his position!
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| Is anyone else worried by these dual contracts?
Personally I don't see it as the way forward. It obviously has pros but I think there are more cons.
It is good for the players personally but does it really assist the clubs? I guess time will tell.
When I've a bit more time I'll put more thought into the pros and cons and perhaps do a blog post on it.
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| Quote ="DParky"Is anyone else worried by these dual contracts?
Personally I don't see it as the way forward. It obviously has pros but I think there are more cons.
It is good for the players personally but does it really assist the clubs? I guess time will tell.
When I've a bit more time I'll put more thought into the pros and cons and perhaps do a blog post on it.'"
Too true and all the pros are with the lending club.....
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