I take it you lot are not in on the rumours being aluded to on the Saints forum about his departure?

One post does not mean a thing the rest of the posts are quite complementary Mr Rumourmonger Sadbellend. Trott on.

how long did it take you to find the CC boards ?

i'll bet it was painful posting out of the SLE box,was it your first time?.

Actually looking back at a lot of the posts in retrospect of the allegation, they seem to be slyly suggesting the same thing. one suggests he can find "the line", the next suggests he'll leave a 'crack' in the squad, the next says he has a tendency to get 'caught in posession' and another was surprised SL clubs werent "sniffing" around him. There were a few others too.

But there is always rumours around players, i doubt its true and we will judge him on his ability on the field at Leigh. Lets face it if you had to play for saints you would need something to take your mind off it

Saints have never had problems with off field issues with their players in the past so this alledged problem obviously stands out.

If carlsberg did sarcasm etc etc.

I think you are reading too much into the posts Nozzy. Do you think the RFL would not have tested him if there were rumours like that going around his club. No one knows how long that rubbish stays in your body untill it is undetectable but I have heard you can tell from a corpse that they had had the stuff by a test from the base of the spine. Hair folicles hold the stuff also and I am told upto two months after you have had some it can be detected in them. So I will take the posts with a pinch of salt.

Ste Bannister was the last player we had an issue with. He was given a few chances to go off and prove he could behave, and couldn't. Since, Saints have been zero tolerance with their juniors.

I feel I should add that in terms of talent, Ellis is up there, and it is sad to see him go rather than get to prove himself at Saints.

He`s at a good club now with a new stadium..........

I asked Ian at the meeting last night who would play 13 this year and he said that most probably Jimmy Taylor.

Dean McGilvary is also an ex Saints Junior also.

Must be for his flair and quick hands - at least we know what type of rugby to expect next season

all Aussie coaches prefer the loose forward to be a workhorse the 'flair and quick hands' come from the half backs, this is 2010 not 1980

Thanks for asking Lynda that was a question I was wondering about. Jimmy T at 13 will do for me

what Lynda didn't say was that Ian wants the two second rowers to give us an 'edge' outside and that would leave JT (or whomever is playing at the central defender role - thats a loose forward for all those stuck in 1980's rugby) to cover in the middle on attack and defence.
He also said that who he plays at second row would also 'dictate' who he plays at loose forward, in other words he will pick his team dependent on who we are playing where we are playing and the weather we play in, its called THE SQUAD SYSTEM.

Undeniably handy though to have a loose forward who can sometimes fill in at half-back in case of them gets injured, as we found to our cost at times last season. That said, that type would be a utility-type on the bench rather than being your first choice 13.

we have players capable of filling in at half back hooker and loose forward also players capable of playing second row and centre, also others capable of playing wing/centre/full back, in this division its a luxury having specialists cause if they are that specialised they should be in SL, again its a squad game with a lot of versatility in ours something we struggled with towards the back end of last season with injuries etc..

aye, them were the days Fred....
Harry Pinner, Jon Westhead, Alan Platt....

Mick Govin

not signed as yet

I didn't know it wasn't official I'd be suprised if he doesn't though

Didnt Ian Millward used to advocate something called "total rugby" or something like that where any player should be proficient in any position or did i dream that?

Don't knock it 'til you've tried. Have you never seen Andy Hobson playing at stand off?

I think the rider on that was 'if their skill level dictates'.

Well one things for certain , I dont remember Paul Anderson doing much passing or offloading in a Bradford shirt , but it all changed at Saints

This is one of the problems I see in the way we coach our juniors , all too often we use the big kids as battering rams and the small fast kids as dodgers , rather than just teaching all of them all of the skills needed to play RL , quite often that big kid at 10/11 will be small at 18 , and that small fast kid will be 6.3 tall and slow