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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"Whoever a club signs, those players should give 100%, always. I don't think that could be said of all the Leigh players that day at The Shay.'"
I was at the Shay pre-Beaumont days when Leigh turned in a shocking display, to see Leigh players laughing behind the sticks following another Fax try to add to their rapidly spiralling total really hurt!
The following week we played Wigan away in the CC and I didn't go out of protest, what I also didn't know was that the Leigh players at Fax had not been paid and, didn't know if they were going to be!
I recall Derek Beaumont standing up and saying; i'll pay the players! the rest of course is history
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"It is obvious DB is to blame for our current position, he kept Jukesy on when it was obvious he wasn't up to the job, he gave out the inflated 2 contracts to players, nobody else.
It looks like we are in a terrible situation now , I rate DB alongside the Bell and Harts,folk keep saying thanks for the memories, not me he should leave now and let someone else try to sort out the mess, and take with him his Yes Men.We as fans are left to support what's left of the team, I know a good amount won't desert the team.We need something sorting out as soon as poss.'"
Charlie your disappointed and annoyed like me and presumably all our fans but, Dont let T***ers like Nosey Parker and his Cynical Editor Danny Lockwood who, wrote a damming Editoral on Beamont the week before bother you they are only printing stories that they know will make their readers chuckle at our demise
Of course Beaumont has made mistakes however, its been his money (mainly) that he has made those mistakes with not yours or, mine!
At the start of the Season can you honestly say you weren't happy with the squad, Beaumont had assembled?
His loyalty may have been his undoing only he can decide that? Many feel Paul Rowley was lucky not be sacked after our performances in the Qualifiers in 2015 when we finished Bottom of the group? Neil Jukes too was lucky not to be dismissed after the MPG!
How badly have we performed this season? we lost five of our first six matches and this has proved to be fatal to Beaumont's plan of an early return to SL ! We have subsequently won 17 of our last 19 league fixtures and soundly beaten SL side Salford in the CC too Those stats will stand up against any club in this country!
We know the fine line that has cost us and, had any of the top four clubs played Toronto three times they too would not be in the Qualifiers! For what its worth, I do feel Leigh are/were the best team in the Comp regardless of how its ended!
I'm desperately sorry the season has turned out like this however, lets not join in with the Gloaters in condeming DB most other clubs would have been happy to have had his backing!
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| Quote ="kirkhall"I was at the Shay pre-Beaumont days when Leigh turned in a shocking display, to see Leigh players laughing behind the sticks following another Fax try to add to their rapidly spiralling total really hurt!
The following week we played Wigan away in the CC and I didn't go out of protest, what I also didn't know was that the Leigh players at Fax had not been paid and, didn't know if they were going to be!
I recall Derek Beaumont standing up and saying; i'll pay the players! the rest of course is history
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Was that the game Beaumont was fighting in the crowd?
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| Quote ="kirkhall" I do feel Leigh are/were the best team in the Comp regardless of how its ended!
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"It is obvious DB is to blame for our current position, he kept Jukesy on when it was obvious he wasn't up to the job, he gave out the inflated 2 contracts to players, nobody else.
It looks like we are in a terrible situation now , I rate DB alongside the Bell and Harts,folk keep saying thanks for the memories, not me he should leave now and let someone else try to sort out the mess, and take with him his Yes Men.We as fans are left to support what's left of the team, I know a good amount won't desert the team.We need something sorting out as soon as poss.'"
Charlie, the man sat next to Juksey was Cunningham. We can all use Juksey as a scapegoat,but you don't have to be an Einstein to who was getting the bigger wage.
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| Quote ="kirkhall"Charlie your disappointed and annoyed like me and presumably all our fans but, Dont let T***ers like Nosey Parker and his Cynical Editor Danny Lockwood who, wrote a damming Editoral on Beamont the week before bother you they are only printing stories that they know will make their readers chuckle at our demise
Of course Beaumont has made mistakes however, its been his money (mainly) that he has made those mistakes with not yours or, mine!
At the start of the Season can you honestly say you weren't happy with the squad, Beaumont had assembled?
His loyalty may have been his undoing only he can decide that? Many feel Paul Rowley was lucky not be sacked after our performances in the Qualifiers in 2015 when we finished Bottom of the group? Neil Jukes too was lucky not to be dismissed after the MPG!
How badly have we performed this season? we lost five of our first six matches and this has proved to be fatal to Beaumont's plan of an early return to SL ! We have subsequently won 17 of our last 19 league fixtures and soundly beaten SL side Salford in the CC too
Those stats will stand up against any club in this country!
We know the fine line that has cost us and, had any of the top four clubs played Toronto three times they too would not be in the Qualifiers! For what its worth, I do feel Leigh are/were the best team in the Comp regardless of how its ended!
I'm desperately sorry the season has turned out like this however, lets not join in with the Gloaters in condeming DB most other clubs would have been happy to have had his backing!'"
Kirky I can't disagree with most of your post,myself I'm disappointed yes,annoyed yes, and hurting, I feel let down as well.As you rightly say those first 6 games defined the rest of our season,the Barrow away defeat should have been Jukesys swansong ,DB has to take the blame for not showing him the door,I'm a betting man and before a ball was kicked at the start of the season,Leigh were 2/ 7 to finish top of the League,in other words near certain.
After games against Toronto Barrow, Toulouse, Fev ,were we lost and threw away decent leads ,the damage had been done,again you rightly point out how we became the form team later ,after the Fax debacle,losing only to Toronto twice.
I WAS very happy with the recruiting of players for this season,and even understood DBS gamble of giving them 2 year contracts,but things started to go wrong, Baptiste wasn't happy,and went home, Vaivai was injured for the season,the Riddy saga wasn't good for us,eventually Jukesy was shown the door,Blackpool wasn't good, the Matautia sin binning cost us, then the goal at the end which wasn't a goal,and Matautia sent off at Fev,all downers,coupled with Fax ,Toulouse and London all playing great rugby.
The rest of the season is now history, like most Leythers I'm hurting, looking for someone to blame, it's human nature,I won't desert the Club though,and will be at Fev on Sunday, I'm hopeful things will get sorted and hope we don't go into administration.Will things get worse?I hope not ,but they probably will.Charlie.
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| Quote ="atomic"Charlie, the man sat next to Juksey was Cunningham. We can all use Juksey as a scapegoat,but you don't have to be an Einstein to who was getting the bigger wage.'"
Atomic, I won't argue with that, I never look at money folk are on, as it's not my business, but I agree KC was probably on more than Jukesy, again KC was responsible for the Recruiting of players ,of which I think most Leythers were happy, but Jukesy was responsible for Coaching, and we lost not only games , but good leads against teams,12 against Toronto, at least 10 against Barrow, around 16 against Toulouse,which should not have occurred.
I'm not making Jukesy the scapegoat, because KC, DB, and the players must take a percentage of the blame ,I feel so down at our current position, and it will be a crying shame if we go into Administration.
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"Atomic, I won't argue with that, I never look at money folk are on, as it's not my business, but I agree KC was probably on more than Jukesy, again KC was responsible for the Recruiting of players ,of which I think most Leythers were happy, but Jukesy was responsible for Coaching, and we lost not only games , but good leads against teams,12 against Toronto, at least 10 against Barrow, around 16 against Toulouse,which should not have occurred.
I'm not making Jukesy the scapegoat, because KC, DB, and the players must take a percentage of the blame ,I feel so down at our current position, and it will be a crying shame if we go into Administration.'"
Charlie I'm in turmoil. I can't describe how I feel at present, I'm totally gutted. But I'm with you on DB should leave now along with his puppets. He chucked his money in knowing there was no return and credit to him we all enjoyed the ride.
Now he's not willing to show that same commitment, close the door on the way out please and let the club continue.
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| Cunningham was defence and attack coach and in charge of recruiting these superstars jukes was the scapegoat
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| Quote ="Montyburns"Cunningham was defence and attack coach and in charge of recruiting these superstars jukes was the scapegoat'"
Incorrect
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| DB hired Jukes and then retained him too long.
DB hired Cunningham and then retained him too long.
DB bankrolled the ride (thanks and it was at time fantastic) but did not have a plan B this year in case of failure.
Plan A failed, the club is in turmoil and in danger of administration, the custodian of the club failed to protect the club in case of failure.
I hate to play the blame game but for me everything that has happened was on DBs watch.
Up The Comics!
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| Quote ="EVO105"Incorrect'"
what is correct?
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| Quote ="sendhimoffref"what is correct?'"
I would certainly like to know what is correct and what isn't? The buck is being passed all the time, we haven't heard a word from our Chairman, Mike Latham, I wonder WHY?What is happening?Questions need to be answered.
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| Quote ="sendhimoffref"what is correct?'"
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| Quote ="EVO105"Montys stab in the dark comments'"
i'm not being funny evo,but you just sound like you know something.If you quote monty as incorrect and a stab in the dark, maybe you know for real whats gone on.
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| Quote ="sendhimoffref"i'm not being funny evo,but you just sound like you know something.If you quote monty as incorrect and a stab in the dark, maybe you know for real whats gone on.'"
I won't break confidence but will point out something I know is wrong. We need the season to end so we can regroup
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| It’s not wrong evo he was defence and attack coach until jukes got sacked and purts come in and told him to sling it
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| Quote ="Montyburns"It’s not wrong evo he was defence and attack coach until jukes got sacked and purts come in and told him to sling it'"
Many hat then was KC tasked with, are you saying no one else was responsible for recruitment and coaching ?
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| Quote ="EVO105"Many hat then was KC tasked with, are you saying no one else was responsible for recruitment and coaching ?'"
I'd like to know who was responsible for what?I suppose Derek provided the Finance for the players, we were told KC was responsible for player recruitment, and Juksey was Coach, however it is now being suggested that KC was also in charge of Defence and Attack coaching, if so what was Jukesys job.
For me they are all to blame at some point.When will we find out ?
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"I'd like to know who was responsible for what?I suppose Derek provided the Finance for the players, we were told KC was responsible for player recruitment, and Juksey was Coach, however it is now being suggested that KC was also in charge of Defence and Attack coaching, if so what was Jukesys job.
For me they are all to blame at some point.When will we find out ?'"
Agree with all, some people find it easy to blame KC for everything
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| Quote ="EVO105"Agree with all, some people find it easy to blame KC for everything'"
Don't know if He was to blame or not but when he came in halfway through our superleague campaign but we started to go down hill not long after then more or less a full squad was got rid off and replaced and that group of players were terrible until purtill took control and kept Cunningham at arms length,so u can understand why people blame him because before he came in.. under JUKSEY we played attacking rugby but suddenly juksey started to say we need to get in the arm wrestle and play 5 drives and a kick.It just seems all this started when Cunningham came in and look at the rugby saints played when he was in charge there
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| Gunners I know for a fact that he was in charge I’m not getting into a argument on here with some folk about it people can keep going with the blame jukes tinted glasses on but to be fair it was his fault for not standing up to KC and tell him to stay away from the team
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"Kirky I can't disagree with most of your post,myself I'm disappointed yes,annoyed yes, and hurting, I feel let down as well.As you rightly say those first 6 games defined the rest of our season,the Barrow away defeat should have been Jukesys swansong ,DB has to take the blame for not showing him the door,I'm a betting man and before a ball was kicked at the start of the season,Leigh were 2/ 7 to finish top of the League,in other words near certain.
After games against Toronto Barrow, Toulouse, Fev ,were we lost and threw away decent leads ,the damage had been done,again you rightly point out how we became the form team later ,after the Fax debacle,losing only to Toronto twice.
I WAS very happy with the recruiting of players for this season,and even understood DBS gamble of giving them 2 year contracts,but things started to go wrong, Baptiste wasn't happy,and went home, Vaivai was injured for the season,the Riddy saga wasn't good for us,eventually Jukesy was shown the door,Blackpool wasn't good, the Matautia sin binning cost us, then the goal at the end which wasn't a goal,and Matautia sent off at Fev,all downers,coupled with Fax ,Toulouse and London all playing great rugby.
The rest of the season is now history, like most Leythers I'm hurting, looking for someone to blame, it's human nature,I won't desert the Club though,and will be at Fev on Sunday, I'm hopeful things will get sorted and hope we don't go into administration.Will things get worse?I hope not ,but they probably will.Charlie.
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Thats the spirit Charlie,unfortunately i wont be at Fev on Sunday im off on my Hols tomorrow to Spain, Tossa would you believe , perhaps i might bump into Parker & Lockwood two well know T+++ers
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| Quote ="Binosh"We know what was wrong, the coach who said to his playing staff "im out of my depth and don't know how to fix it" got to control who we did & didn't sign and was kept in a job 12 months too long.
No more no less.'"
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| My 2 pennies *whether you like them or not* .....
1. Jukes was not up to the task ( though I concede & thank him for the 2016 season )
2. Beaumonts brief/target/goals set to Jukes to win the MPG/Survive was & is a defeatist target & unacceptable, you set a target of top 8 & then & only then if you fail, your next target is 9th, that is the mindset of a winner !
3. KC was money wasted & did not work. Why not sack Jukes & go big, get the best Head Coach possible * HullKR/Sheens*, you then pay that Head Coach what you would have paid NJ + KC & more likely your Club is still in SL !
4. Lost Paterika Vai-Vai early & for full season, this is something that has happened to Leigh every season for the last 3 at least, McNally, Vai-Vai & James Clare !
5. John the Baptiste's wife claimed he had damaged his shoulder & would be out for months in a tweet, only to add to the same tweet a photo of him walking away from LSV carrying his kit bag on same shoulder *he didn't want to be a Leigh player, so be f in honest* !
6. DB should have fought to keep the contracts of Bryson Goodwin, Samisoni Langi & Josh Drinkwater *imagine how strong this team would have been with those 3 !
7. That season opening run.
These are for me all critical factors in the demise of Leigh.
To add, if I could I would remind DB that he is quoted as saying he would write off ALL debts to him from the Club as a gift, it is quoted because he said the words, now he appears to be changing tune to only if the right person take a over etc, he also said he would ensure the Club gets to end if season *I am sure he will* , but I ask this, why would he not pay players, LSV debts etc ? Is there something more to it ? Is his business in dire need ?
I don't dislike DB but with every passing week he weakens his own position with fans.
I never want to see a sole owner again but if it meant survival in the short term I would accept one with concerns.
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