The 4th tackle we generally do try and pass it at least through 3 pairs of hands.

My point (whilst being facetious) is we literally do the same thing over and over.

The players get instructed to not deviate from the planned sets (which are basic as hell).

Don't know about people on here, but I played rugby for many years and you have to have the flexibility to play what you see, to go for a break if it opens up.. The players are instructed not to do this. Its poor coaching.

Add to that a kicking game that is none existent we look rudderless out there. There is no game management, there is no pitch management. You could watch 1 game of Leigh and know our entire move set and gameplan, and know we do not deviate from it.

I'm not privy to knowing what the players are told to do but, that apart, I can't find anything to fault, in the points you make.

When the fan commented, at the 'Meet the players evening', about our boring, predictable 'style' (I use the word loosely!) he was told that the expansive style didn't/wouldn't win us anything. Our current 'style' didn't win us many games last season, and it hasn't, so far this season. We are still leaking points, despite our defensive set up, and we certainly aren't scoring enough, that's for sure!

Can't disagree with any of that.

To be honest, it's rare we even get to tackle 4!

Unfortunately the coach cannot see the irony of how his safety first approach is actually leading to as many mistakes, if not more as when we expansive bordering on reckless!

I think thats the question? Who is the coach?

Yes its structural play,works for SL,but not Championship,as both friendlies proved we can compete at SL level but forget we are in Championship.

Friendlys are just that friendlys ... any super league team would thump us on current form

London Skolars would thump us on current form. But can you see my point?

You need everything, SL/CH, it doesn't matter what league you play in, of course you need to have a structure as your baseline, lots of pre-trained moves.. But the fundamental point, which we do not have, is you must have the freedom to throw them all out of window and play what is in front of us. Riddy was bollocked for ignoring the 'gameplan', for making a break and scoring in fact.

You have to remember that we got relegated last season, for whatever you want to say Jukes failed. Once the initial 'unknown' of us wore off we became predictable and very easy to play against. Defend the well, wait for the turn over.

The crux of the problem with Jukes is, not only does he hate anyone ignoring the gameplan, the gameplan could be written on the back of a fag packet.. We have at most 5 set moves, combine those two we are utterly predictable.

Did you see any progression last season? Did you see us trying new things once we started to struggle? We play the exact same way we did game 1 of SL even now. Hes said it himself at the Q + A... Its a coach without ideas.

Doesn't help he has Cunningham throwing in his two penny's worth, and his coaching knowledge is limited to the first 5 yards behind the ruck and nothing else.

Apparently Neil is a very honourable man and he will know when the time is right to walk.

Harold, iirc did he want to walk last season,but DB refused to let him go?

Quite true that is. Why is this allowed to happen?

So we are led to believe, but only Derek and Neil will know for sure.

True.

Derek has laid into them and he has given them 2 more games

Derek watched that game with the fans and like all of us, he found that performance hard to take.

I don't think we can forget that we actually also got promoted using the Jukes system ( or was it Cookey),in pretty fine style. Which endorse's the fact to me,he either can't replicate that system or its somebody else pulling the strings. The system for me at present isn't Jukes style.

I feel for Jukes as I would probably feel perturbed with the appointment of KC and he must have felt unsettled. That for me is one of the issues as there's no clarity on who is head coach. We all know their respective job titles but the system on the pitch says different.

It will be too late by then. An experienced coach should have been brought in halfway through last season - we would probably still be in SL if this had happened. As it is we are being beaten by the 2 promoted sides from Champ 1. Jukes should go now. He has a full time team with SL/NRL players. He isn't good enough. Please go.

If Toulouse beat us at the weekend, Jukes is toast.

As already stated, should have gone last season. Could have saved a few grand on the all expenses paid trip to Australia.

Having Cunningham in charge doesn't inspire me either. DB only himself to blame.

I doubt we would have remained in SL given the injuries. The MPG saw us short of eight first team regulars and that told. Who do you replace him with? Its quite clear KC is making the calls. Also are you paying NJ off?

WYB. I think you’ve hit the nail on the head, and maybe didn’t mean to in the way I see it.
It’s the coaches job to question the players commitment if it’s lacking. If the coach can’t get his players to commit then it’s time for a new coach, or in this case new coaches.
As for Mickey and Riddy, they are not out there because of these coaches.
It’s time !

I believe Derek will do similar to TC and become Coach/Owner

Derek. As skilled and a brilliant owner( apart from his loyalty to the coaching staff) is no coach and he knows it imho

I was joking as highlighted by the last time he selected the team.

Can someone tell me if Reynolds is the answer, what's the question??!!

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