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| Quote ="Saley2"Dont agree with=#FF0000 free families starbug you are putting a £0 vaule on our product i thought you was against this?
£20 would be a bargin for an afternoons entertainment for a family of 4'"
Combined with pre match activities involving the schools , strictly controlled and at selected matches run through the community trust
Re read the whole idea , not just parts of it , or if you're still not convinced find me behind the sticks tonight , I'll explain in more detail
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| Sorry mate i take it now you mean a certain amount of family ticket to be given out through schools etc (great idea no problem with this) , i take it you dont mean any family could walk up on the day and get in for free?
would the option of a £20 family ticket not be be a good idea for these people?
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| Quote ="Saley2":3kza8ci5Sorry mate i take it now you mean =#FF0000:3kza8ci5a certain amount of family ticket to be given out through schools etc (great idea no problem with this):3kza8ci5 , =#4000FF:3kza8ci5i take it you dont mean any family could walk up on the day and get in for free?:3kza8ci5
=#40BF00:3kza8ci5would the option of a £20 family ticket not be be a good idea for these people?'" :3kza8ci5 , and if they did , would they bother doing it again ?
Correct , not just a walk up deal
You do this for 3 games , then offer all who have attended a cheap family ticket for game 4 still in the same stand , so in effect 2 days out for say 15 quid , but you turn a whole bunch of kids into Leythers , imagine if half took up the option ? , you've had around 3,600 over the 3 games , and you get 1,800 turn up for game 4 ? , how good would that be ?
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| Quote ="Saley2"also why do we charge more for paying on the day what does this achieve? what extra costs are the club incuring that we need to add £2 onto the price of addmission?'"
Thought we were 'taking' £2 off admission for buying early. It's all in the phrasing lol
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| Quote ="Saley2"Alan,
Thanks for your response much appreciated and i value your opinion and the work you are doing.
Firstly, Just because people are successful businessmen does not mean the idea is a good one! we all make mistakes. How many successful businesses have gone bump because off bad decissions!!
I am struggling to understand how people can back an idea and activley promote it when not considering the reward / risk? this can only be done by estimating fugures based on what we hope to achieve. have you done this? I have and it worked out we would lose £440 tonight based on my assumptions?
I to believe we need to try things to get people through our turnstiles however it has to be the right ideas.
Do you not think the majority of our fans will be slighty annoyed that an oposition fan can get in at up to £8 cheeper than them? =#FF0000its not about what you think personally look at it from an average fan who doesnt put the efforts in you do! the reason you put the work in you do is because you are a Leigh fanatic like myself the majority are not !
The club has been promoting #fetchbob for a few weeks now how am i expected to entice people to watch leigh when they now they will be paying up to £8 more than an opposition / other club ST holder? they will tell me to sod of and i would have no argument.
We need incentives to grow our fan base within our community free tickets for kids when accompanied by an adults is a must. Its a family game we need to make it attractable to family in the current economic climate
Free tickets for adults is not the way to go as starbug says you need to have a value on our product however we need to realise people are not stupid and will not pay super league prices for championship rugby!'"
I do believe that, in one of your earlier posts, you asked what I personally thought about this? So, I've stuck my head above the parapet and told you.
I will repeat, if you want the rationale behind the idea explained, you need to either approach the club and ask the people who made the decision, or wait until the next Fans' Forum (in April, I believe) and ask then.
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| For information, I posted this on another thread, but here's a flavour of what is being done to attract youngsters.
I believe initiatives are being planned to get the youngsters in. The Junior Centurions has been formed, there is a very low-priced junior season ticket, there are plans to get schools involved on match days and, perhaps most important, there are imminent plans to get a significant presence in the Leigh schools.
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| Quote ="The Prophet"Every credit for that response, however our inability as a club to upsell any other revenues to these "extra" fans due to all such revenues going to the LSV means this is a hopelessly flawed concept which sadly will, and seemingly already has, alienate what should be our genuine target market - lapsed or new Leythers and those fans without season tickets/Touchdown memberships. This initiative can only drive them further away.'"
And won't you be just glad when it does? The words 'axe 'to' and 'grind' spring to mind.
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| Alan,
the what you think personnally was in terms of that specific question
you havnt answered the below
1)am struggling to understand how people can back an idea and activley promote it when not considering the reward / risk? this can only be done by estimating fugures based on what we hope to achieve. have you done this?
2)Do you not think the majority of our fans will be slighty annoyed that an oposition fan can get in at up to £8 cheeper than them?
3)The club has been promoting #fetchbob for a few weeks now how am i expected to entice people to watch leigh when they now they will be paying up to £8 more than an opposition / other club ST holder?
I will ask the board however im asking you as a member of the PSG who is activly promoting this idea on the clubs behalf? shouldnt you fully understand what you are promoting within our transparent club? and the implications / risks?
Not having a go at you mate and i fully appeciate the work you do / hours you put in etc etc etc just want to know where the PSG stand?
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| Quote For information, I posted this on another thread, but here's a flavour of what is being done to attract youngsters.
I believe initiatives are being planned to get the youngsters in. The Junior Centurions has been formed, there is a very low-priced junior season ticket, there are plans to get schools involved on match days and, perhaps most important, there are imminent plans to get a significant presence in the Leigh schools.'"
Alan all the above is brilliant and much needed this shows we are moving forward!! well done all concerned
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The Prophet wrote:Every credit for that response, however our inability as a club to upsell any other revenues to these "extra" fans due to all such revenues going to the LSV means this is a hopelessly flawed concept which sadly will, and seemingly already has, alienate what should be our genuine target market - lapsed or new Leythers and those fans without season tickets/Touchdown memberships. This initiative can only drive them further away.
And won't you be just glad when it does? The words 'axe 'to' and 'grind' spring to mind.'"
Mish all the prophet has said there is his opinion and even credited alan for his response, i cant see what value you have added to this debate by your response. if you agree or not with what he says that response from you is childish!
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| Quote ="mishmash"And won't you be just glad when it does? The words 'axe 'to' and 'grind' spring to mind.'"
Congratulations on your highly informed response and for bringing a new dimension to missing the point - I suspect the only axe of relevance to you is of the "battle" variety.
Every person on this forum is on as a fan who wants the best for our club. Anybody who has worked at a corporate level with marketing strategies would tell you this initiative will alienate the club's prime target market of increasing our home supporter base - incentivising people who would probably come anyway in the case of away supporters is a revenue drain.
I personally don't want anything the club does to fail. Whilst the fetch Bob campaign is hardly high brow, at least it targets people who can be genuine creators of future revenues.
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| The Prophet you are spot on!! great answer, I watch with intrest as to how people answer and argue against your points above
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| Quote ="The Prophet"Congratulations on your highly informed response and for bringing a new dimension to missing the point - I suspect the only axe of relevance to you is of the "battle" variety.
Every person on this forum is on as a fan who wants the best for our club. Anybody who has worked at a corporate level with marketing strategies would tell you this initiative will alienate the club's prime target market of increasing our home supporter base - incentivising people who would probably come anyway in the case of away supporters is a revenue drain.
I personally don't want anything the club does to fail. Whilst the fetch Bob campaign is hardly high brow, at least it targets people who can be genuine creators of future revenues.'"
Well said
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| Quote ="The Prophet"incentivising people who would probably come anyway in the case of away supporters is a revenue drain.'"
I would think the hope is that it would attract more away fans that might ordinarily travel. Wasn't it the case on here that people mentioned they would now be going to Fev because of their offer when originally they were planning on watching on telly? Reading through this thread (even though I promised myself last night I'd stop coming on here for a few days) has now given me a genuine fear that all the work towards trying to promote and create a positive atmosphere at games is going to fall on it's backside because people aren't willing to give an initiative a chance.
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| I can't say i'm a fan of this" getting in cheaper with ST " I have been fetching Bob along now for the past 3 games and have not told them that away support will be getting in cheaper tonight .Just doesn't seem right .
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| Quote ="The Prophet"Congratulations on your highly informed response and for bringing a new dimension to missing the point - I suspect the only axe of relevance to you is of the "battle" variety.
Every person on this forum is on as a fan who wants the best for our club. Anybody who has worked at a corporate level with marketing strategies would tell you this initiative will alienate the club's prime target market of increasing our home supporter base - incentivising people who would probably come anyway in the case of away supporters is a revenue drain.
I personally don't want anything the club does to fail. Whilst the fetch Bob campaign is hardly high brow, at least it targets people who can be genuine creators of future revenues.'"
Battle axe maybe but at least I don't feel the need to hide behind an anonymous name whist berating everything the club is trying to do. On reading your posts one gets the feeling you have an axe to grind with certain members of LISA as well as the current board and you do it all anonymously. Well done - very brave of you.
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| Quote ="Leyther_Matt"I would think the hope is that it would attract more away fans that might ordinarily travel. Wasn't it the case on here that people mentioned they would now be going to Fev because of their offer when originally they were planning on watching on telly? Reading through this thread (even though I promised myself last night I'd stop coming on here for a few days) has now given me a genuine fear that all the work towards trying to promote and create a positive atmosphere at games is going to fall on it's backside because people aren't willing to give an initiative a chance.'"
This is getting like pulling teeth!!
This initiative will cost us far more potential home supporters than it could ever generate additional away fans purely due to the price point. I genuinely doubt any away team will bring sufficient addditional fans who wouldn't have come at full price to cover the shortfall by way of the discount given. This combined with the fact our club gets no additional revenues from food/drink sales means it is virtually guaranteed to negatively effect us on the whole.
There ends the lesson as it really is that simple.
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| Quote ="FredParky"Welcome to my world'"
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| Quote ="mishmash"Battle axe maybe but at least I don't feel the need to hide behind an anonymous name whist berating everything the club is trying to do. On reading your posts one gets the feeling you have an axe to grind with certain members of LISA as well as the current board and you do it all anonymously. Well done - very brave of you.
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For what its worth I haven't got a clue who you or 95% of posters on this forum are and fail to see the relevance of that anyway - look forum up in the dictionary in order to understand the point.
As you want to wield your grinding axe again, it will come as no surprise that your other point is also nonsense - I applaud what LISA have done for this club and have posted previously they have done far more than any 1 individual and continue to do so.
Berating everything?? Your inability to comprehend how things are done in the corporate world in order to generate positive results is clear for all to see. Equally if an initiative is likely to have the opposite effect then the flaws need to be out in the open from the word go and the club given the opportunity to re-align their strategy.
If you support this initiative, fine. I however support the club and thus am prepared to offer reasons as to why it is a bad idea to alienate your potential home support.
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| Quote Battle axe maybe but at least I don't feel the need to hide behind an anonymous name whist berating everything the club is trying to do. On reading your posts one gets the feeling you have an axe to grind with certain members of LISA as well as the current board and you do it all anonymously. Well done - very brave of you.'"
Mish i dont get why you are attacking the prophet? is this a personall vendeta? he has given valid reasons as to why he disagrees with this idea is he not allowed to do that? we want the best for our club and i will fully support any idea that has been thought through and benifits the majority and will have a positive impact. are we not allowed to voice our concerns especially when backed up with valid arguements?
im happy to discuss with anybody ideas good and bad and give my opinion cause thats all it is!
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For what its worth I haven't got a clue who you or 95% of posters on this forum are and fail to see the relevance of that anyway - look forum up in the dictionary in order to understand the point.
As you want to wield your grinding axe again, it will come as no surprise that your other point is also nonsense - I applaud what LISA have done for this club and have posted previously they have done far more than any 1 individual and continue to do so.
Berating everything?? Your inability to comprehend how things are done in the corporate world in order to generate positive results is clear for all to see. Equally if an initiative is likely to have the opposite effect then the flaws need to be out in the open from the word go and the club given the opportunity to re-align their strategy.
If you support this initiative, fine. I however support the club and thus am prepared to offer reasons as to why it is a bad idea to alienate your potential home support'"
Great post again and exactly the point nobody is right or wrong its about opinion and the right to express / discuss that
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| Personal - not at all, why would it be?
However, with the comfort of anonymity it's very easy to bemoan and belittle the efforts others are making, secure in the knowledge that no one knows who they really are and could possibly even have some connection with the club whilst using ones anonymity to pass on 'inside' information.
Regardless of what the Prophet says, quite a lot of us know each other personally or at least know 'of' each other and that itself provides it's own 'safety net' when choosing to trust (or not) that poster and whether you think they have a hidden agenda.
Personally I don't trust anyone who chooses to post under a totally anonymous name. If they believe in something so strongly they shouldn't be afraid to put their name to it (as you have done).
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