Fair point so next Season we should go with Vaughan as captain obviously not Mikael and defo not dufty

but this is the problem we give too much credit to what a player has done previously not what he is doing for us now or will do in the future.

ratchford unfortunately for the majority of his time with us has caused coaches headaches of where to play him as he was not good enough in specialist rolls but too good to leave out of the side, whilst he is a very good rugby player I do feel he has caused us more headaches than solved problems over his time with us.

Not heard anything from chambers that gives me any hope, from letting the players come up with the game plan to bullock has to improve to get in the team when dudson gets in playing crap.

I mean if he had to play Dudson he could’ve also played Bullock and put Philbin/Nicholson/Currie loose forward or second row and dropped Crowther.

Selection should be based upon what they deliver on match day and I don’t care if Dudson or Crowther train the house down because what they dish up on match days is a LONG way short of SL level*. Bullock on the other hand has consistently played well for 18 months.

* and SL level is currently dire

Chambers appears to be adopting Price's stance of being pally with the players, shielding them and stressing empathy whereas Powell tried the sergeant major approach.

Thus far, all I can see is that Gleeson's short stewardship appears to have freshened the attack, but the same glaring, unforced, [istupid[/i errors combined with baffling team selection hold us back.

Thought you were the better team yesterday and the Walker dropped ball and Dufty needing longer arms and you win it comfortably.
The good thing for us was that we hung in and sneaked the 2 points.
Not sure what Dudson brings at all and the same goes for Crowther.
The other player I felt was a disappointment for you was Currie.

If that's the issue, blame the coaches who don't know how to deploy him. Or blame those who recruited him despite him not having a defined role in the squad. Or, if the issue is that he's past his best, blame those who still throw contracts at him. But for people to slag him off and say he isn't even a RL player is a bad thing to do for someone who's put his body on the line for our team/town for over a decade. Admittedly, we have several current players supposedly in their prime who do a shoddy job masquerading as professional RL players and we all know who they are. However, I'm not very comfortable calling someone out who has given his all for this club for so long. That's a different kettle of fish IMO. Sure if he's past his best move him on, but he shouldn't be disparaged when there are bigger wage thieves in the mix.

That team selection was so disappointing. We had an opportunity during the final six games to change things up, make players earn the shirt, but what do we do - keep the same team. There's a well peddled saying of the definition of madness being doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome, well in game one after the removal of DP, that's exactly what we've done. There was no way that I was paying out even a small amount of cash to watch the Leeds game, after the team was announced on Friday. Time to be brave with team selection Mr Chambers, otherwise, there wont be so many bums on seats in the HJS next year.

But what if the alternatives really are worse?

I have to say that Bullock’s form must have fallen off a cliff for him to be worse than Dudson.

What can be worse about planning for the future, when our track record of late is.....?

It's not rocket science... Use the time to try out future alternatives.... Drinkwater dudson and matautia dropped ( call it "rested" if you like) and replace with heyes, bullock and wrench ....it definitely won't be any worse but potentially a whole lot better ...BUT .. Give them a couple of games to get up to speed .. some of these letdowns have had about 20+ to prove they aren't up to much

he has always been a very good rugby player, but we have tried him in most positions and not really been sold on him in any apart from full back but again we looked to change his position to centre and we need.a centre ... he would be perfect if we were a championship winning team.

He was the safest we have had under a bomb at fullback in a long time. While Dufty had a good game on Sunday the bomb which led to a try was his to take NOT Marty Ashtons. Dufty bottled it.

Just reading on the Guardian website that Bullock & Dean picked up injuries in the reserves game against Leeds. Luckily Minikin was impressive over 80 minutes so should be available to help us out against Hull.

Makes you think does Dudson practice voodoo magic

Makes me think that Chambers actually had good reason for his decision making and perhaps we were too quick to condemn him.

Absolutely.

The target game bring the one most likely to get a result, Hull FC, GC wanting to get Bullock right for that, but the plan glitched.
Now it’s about wether Dudson will let us down or not in this easier fixture on paper than Leeds.

This system GC is using is exactly what Paul Cullen did to get us into our first GF play off against the odds.

The fact that he played Dudson ahead of Bullock is clouding the issue. The fact that he plays Dudson at all with his stats is the issue. There were other reserve props that should been ahead of Dudson.

I totally agree Dudson is less than ideal(!) but given Chambers knows the young players far better than anyone on here I can only conclude he has good reasons.

The majority on here concluded that we needed a Director of Rugby.

What we didn`t want was for the person appointed to be a puppet for KFP who has quietly moved into the background since this season went t1ts-up.

Chambers isn`t the Director of Rugby until next season, so lets see how it goes then.

....and there we go

You are Murray Walker and I claim my $5.

Any radio stations covering the game today?

BBC Merseyside & Humberside