As an outsider that is the most lacklustre and weak performance I've seen you put in against us in probably 20 years.

Smith's time looks to have passed IMO. He has been sensational for you but it all feels a bit stale.

i think TS has a few problems to explain away. Firstly he has been in the job for a long time, so virtually all the players on the pitch were recruited by him. He can't complain that he doesn't have the right material. Secondly, he has built his reputation on being a motivator, and clearly several of those players on the pitch were very half hearted in their play and approach. And any coach has to be able to get individuals to play like a team - what we saw tonight was a completely disjointed effort with most players looking as though they had never seen their team mates before. Finally where were the set moves ?

It seems that the very, very, basics of team coaching are completely lacking at the moment.

All players and coaches have a shelf life and I think TS is getting past his. That is not to say he is a bad coach, and you could see him moving on and enjoying success elsewhere, but I do think the time is approaching when it is best for both TS and the club to separate before all the fond memories fade.

I wonder if Draper will have him in on Monday morning to seek assurances from him on what he plans to do about the dismal way in which we are playing. As if something doesn't change, neither will results.

He left a Leeds team at the peak of its powers (or so he thought) yet he's hanging on at a Wire side that's three years past it's best.

I thought he'd have walked away a while back.

Why would you walk away if some benefactor is willing to pay you for failure ?

He and we have had to handle huge changes in our squad over the past 2 years. There's a good few times when people have questioned TS but more often than not he gets it right. With a squad unrecognisable last year we nearly beat you Pies in the semifinal.

It's not been a great year, but if anyone can turn it around, then it's TS.

He has 1 year left on his contract. Let him see it out with the new players that have come in. If he fails next year then let him leave.

Difficult to watch that. Smith looks mentally shot.

its falling apart around him and he doesn't know why.

oh well never mind.. lets give him another year to 'turn this around'

whats the worst that can happen?

Smith will get another season I'm pretty sure but we need to start sounding out a top class replacement right now because it seems we drag our heels with recruitment and still get it wrong. So expect a two year wait before we reappoint lowes.

If we got rid who would replace him? We're not exactly flush with quality coaches. Unless we bring Cullen back.........

Love to get hold of Des Hasler, or tempt Madge back over here.

We spend enough on overseas players, we might as well dig deep for an overseas coach too. (And sack off Agar too naturally)

TS is a top coach look what we've achieved under him.

Ok we're going through a rough patch at the moment but in Tony we must trust!

The players need to standup and take ownership for there own performances it's no TS on the pitch dropping the ball, slipping off tackles, not completing the sets (basic RL).

The players and the club need to make a public appology for last nights performance and then come out and explain how theye are going to improve. (We need a couple of High Profile Signings also)

We've not achieved a grand final win despite having had the best team for three consecutive seasons. The buck stops with the coach every time...that's what he gets paid for.

Smith built and picked the current team, of course the onus is on him. You wouldn't say he has no part in success and it's just the players would you? It applies in both scenarios

In certain games TS has made critical errors that ultimately cost us a win...
But last night there wasn't anything anyone could have done. Let's not kid ourselves, that is our level and it has been so all season but for minor peaks when it didn't really matter either way to a weakened Leeds team. We are no better or poorer than that least night.

Clarkey said it on sky last month, we won't make the top 4 and it'll take 3 years to build us back up.
I hate him for saying it but cannot give him an arguement.

Does TS have 3 years of confidence from the board to turn things around? Currently he has only one year.

Tony Smith is a good coach, as others have said he has given you more success than you have seen for a while. But it is also true that some times a change of coach is needed to reboot a clubs progression. I think it would be a mistake to read too much into your performances in the 8's. Last night your players looked like they just wanted the season to be over. Realistically all they have left to play for is pride, possible international selection and TS's job, on last nights showing that was not enough motivation for many of them. For mine much of the "blame" for last nights performance lies with the players rather than the coach.

How about possibly an up & coming English coach ,Paul Rowley of Richard Marshall & stick Tony as Director of Rugby to preserve his sanity. Maybe his man management skills could be better used at director level.

A primary role of a coach is to motivate his players - the opposition was Wigan, FFS, it shouldn't be that difficult to motivate a Warrington side to play them. If he can't motivate them for that, and indeed if they can't be ar$ed to play for 'his job', as you suggest, then a shake up is needed.

Rowley and Smith would get on like a house on fire ha ha

If any player can't motivate himself for any game nevermind games against the likes of wigan or challenge cup semi-finals, then he needs to take a long hard look at himself and decide whether or not he is in the right place, or even the right career.

I agree that the players need to take along hard look at their season's 'work' and if they do there wouldn't be too many that can look themselves n the mirror and say that they have done themselves justice.

On the other hand who's bloody players a they and who's job is it to sort them out? You know the one's, the shirkers and hiders, the under achievers, the feckless, the witless.

The young lads that had probably a bit more game time than 'we' would have liked have done really well. Tony and Richard whoever is coaching appears to have taken the feckless thrown in the witless and quite comfortably turned out a team of s

I really can't believe some of the stuff on this site, one average season and it's sack the coach, such a player is past his sell by date, not fit to wear the shirt etc. My Dad started taking me in the late 60's and if you lot think this team is crap you really should been here then! Just wondering who will be the scapegoat next year? with Asotasi gone, Wheeler being hounded out which poor sod will be bearing the brunt? what short memories so many have