I'd have Roby out of the two. Fantastic player, who I thought was a lot better than Cunningham for the last couple of years.

There you have the fundamental difference.

Why has Monaghan done so much less work than Roby defensively? Has Monaghan escaped due to playing in the halves? Is he spelled a lot?

I think the SL stats site really needs to add minutes on the field and the ability to break the stats down per minute or per 80 minutes etc.

I'm assuming this title was written by someone who works for the SUN.

The great debate....?????

Maybe more of a passing thought before being trapped in the swirling votex of a singularity.

The great debate for me would have been will Rangi chase keep up his form to match the high consistency of Roby.
Roby the next Saints Captain for me.

Atkins looks like one of the Passedenas, and Shenton looks like that camp politcal columnist Andrew Pierce from the Telegraph and Daily Mail, who's always on Breakfast

back on thread

We're gonna say Monaghan, Stains fans are gonna say Roby
and who gives one, what PieMunchers think (if they can think, that is)

If Roby was really that good he would have been in the NRL not in Super League.

both are rubbish.

Nobody runs at Monaghan thats why.

www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 As a neutral i think this says everything you need to no!

www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 As a neutral i think this says everything you need to no!

Stats don't always paint a big picture

Roby has over 2 and a half times more Carries (297 more) and scoots from DH (257 more) yet only 20 more tackle bursts and 4 more offloads.

Just shows contrasting styles with the same effectiveness.

what someone forgot to mention was the reason roby has so many more metres is because he has made so much more runs from the ptb.

edit: and yet as if by magic... YED does.

Michael Monaghan James Roby
Warrington St Helens

Runs from dummy half 159 416 Runs from dummy half

Proof of the pudding

So what your saying there is that he does alot more work so should be more tired and therefore make less tackle busts than Monaghan????







I fail to see how him doing more proves any point you maybe making.

The fact is Monas is pivotal in our squad, he gets them moving and his vision and passing are very good, what you're saying is that because Roby runs more metres from DH he is somehow better and works harder?

I'm sure Wingers/fullbacks have more metres gained but again the stat is irrelevant.

My point was stats only tell half a story.

True but when you look at the overall stats for Roby, they are impressive stats. We have not even covered clean breaks.

Now there is a debate, whats the difference between a tackle bust and a clean break.

When does a tackle bust become a clean break, do they count under both stats or just one.

Looking at the stats from players running from DH

1.Roby 416
2.Ellis (at Quins) 170

2nd is 214 less than Roby

So that stat tells me that Saints are boring as fook to watch, entertainers my backside

Here's another thought

Roby scoots from DH and makes 50 metres say and is tackled

Monas scoots from DH makes 10 metres but throws a pass round the defender and the guy taking the offload makes 50 metres (10 more than Roby) who is better?

You see what i mean they don't show the bigger picture ?

Roby is more of a individual who could win you a game with a flash of brilliance. Monaghan is more of a leader who can guide a team around the park. Both excellent players, both very different, both pivotal players to their respective teams.

Yeah we do. I said back on the first page they have very different styles which makes a comparison hard and a judgement of who is 'better' totally subjective.

Roby for MOS if he carries his form thus far throughout the season though.

Quote ="Horatio Yed"The fact is Monas is pivotal in our squad, he gets them moving and his vision and passing are very good, what you're saying is that because Roby runs more metres from DH he is somehow better and works harder? I'm sure Wingers/fullbacks have more metres gained but again the stat is irrelevant. My point was stats only tell half a story.'" Nope.......... www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011

Quote ="Horatio Yed"The fact is Monas is pivotal in our squad, he gets them moving and his vision and passing are very good, what you're saying is that because Roby runs more metres from DH he is somehow better and works harder? I'm sure Wingers/fullbacks have more metres gained but again the stat is irrelevant. My point was stats only tell half a story.'" Nope.......... www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011

Saddend you said that Roby if he continues his form should be MOS, but last year a player won it for kicking goals and scoring tries, so in that matter, surely Brett Hodgson should win it if his form continues?

Top in metres made and 3rd in tackles made is very impressive, ignoring any comparison for a second.

Quote ="Giant_Amuser"Nope.......... www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011'" I meant in general (as a collective) i knew Roby was the leading metre maker. If you add up all Fullbacks, wingers and Hookers i'm sure you'd see the pattern Roby is special case

Quote ="Giant_Amuser"Nope.......... www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011'" I meant in general (as a collective) i knew Roby was the leading metre maker. If you add up all Fullbacks, wingers and Hookers i'm sure you'd see the pattern Roby is special case

The one thing i will say is they are both awesome players.

Yup. Man of Steel has become a farce since they let the players decide. It's now a glorified popularity contest. A lot of players are automatically out of the race as they aren't very well liked. Far better when Eddie and Stev.... the press decided as at least they sit and analyse a far higher volume of games in which to make the decision.