Kyle Eastmond? How is he better than Sam? He may well turn out to be, but currently I don't know how you can make that statement.

because he's not a niggly little penalty seeking (insert expletive at your wish)! thats how we can make that statement!
take your cherry and white tinted glasses off!

the boy is a great player, but thats got nothing to do with being a class act, thats all about how you handle yourself and your demeanor(sp), and in those cases, kyle blows sam out of the water!

In the past two seasons who has been the better player???? Sam or Kyle....Sam by miles..infact Myler has been better too.

But none of those maybe with the exception of Edwards were as good as Tomkins at the same age, and I've watched all of them.

If Sam progresses as he has done over the last four years he could become an all time RL great.

Like Karl Pryce?

Touche

*Coffee all over my screen*

What's he got to do with it?

This topic is about Sam Tomkins ans as someone who has watched him from his first ever game in Wigans academy I can tell you that he is better at this age (21) than any of the half backs Les Boyd has named, with the possible exception of Shaun Edwards.

Your own coach obviously holds him in high esteem as he selected him for England last year.

You've tipped him as a Wigan legend before. Tomkins is a very talented player but he is still some way behind Myler in terms of Tries/Assist per game ratio.

I don't anyone is (they shouldn't be if they know anything about rugby)questioning Sams talent as a player, i think it's more is shocking temperament and gamesmanship.

He has a fantastic temperament. He's been getting Shyte knocked out of (targeted) since he was 15 .
He just gets up and gets on with it, last Friday being a prime example. Of course he's a niggly little sod, wasn't Murphy, Edwards (Jackie and Shaun), Andy Greg, Paul Bishop, Lee Bries etc.

You could question Myler asking for try at Wigan when he was nowhere near the ball, or was that gamesmanship.

Fine line isn't it?

, i've no issue in some respects like you say some of the greats have been the same, Briers is cleverer in the way he does it, Sam not as much but i'd have him at the Wire and i wouldn't want him to change either.
For me though regardless of if they are great one thing he'll never be remembered for is having class.
Plenty of world class players have not had world class attitudes to fair play.
Les Boyd gifted beyond measure remembered for being a thug, i could go on with the list, you know which angle i'm coming from Rouges ?

The thing i like about Sam Tomkins is he isn't a one trick pony, he has plenty of strings to his bow. He has a very good short kicking game which has lead to quite a few tries for Wigan from what ive seen this year, he can step and has a great turn of foot from a standing start. He can also support really well and open up defences with ball in hand.

Richie Myler is good at supporting anything that moves and he defends well but apart from that ive not seen a great deal to put him in the same bracket as Tomkins or Eastmond danger wise, Myler needs to take on the line more because our half backs are not really noted for making breaks that often.

Lee Briers is excellent at what he does, he's a great organiser with a very good short kicking game but he's not a Tony Myler or John Woods type stand off that looks to take on the line at every available oppertunity. He does it occasionally but more often than not he`s looking for a kick late on in the tackle count.

Richie Myler is great when our forwards are steam rolling the opposition, he can run off the shoulder and he'll recieve the ball more often than not. I just don't see our half backs as line breakers on a regular basis, i'd say thats one of our weaker areas especially against the top sides.

He fell like he'd been shot in that game when he ran into Carvell and got a penalty. He doesn't just get on with it, he tries to be hard and kicks out or mouths. Multi talented but an ugly, nasty little player.

Once again i agree with you.

all time great...never in a million years...

We'll see wont we?

But as someone who has watched him in over 100 games that he has played I would think I was in a better position to judge his progress, would you not agree?

yep...watched him down here,created a good try,watched him at your gaff,did`nt know he was on the pitch until he fell out of briers pocket at the end..you have your opinion,and i`ll have mine,,is that ok

So you've seen him twice. Well done.
Of course you're entitled to your opinion.

Even if it's wrong.



Why did he get young player of the year last year?
Why did YOUR coach pick him for England?

listen hodgson of hudds won m.o.s..does that make him world class??no..back to tomkins our coach picked him cos he`s good,as for world class no...if i wanted to see more of him i`d go and watch you lot..which i`d never do now do you understand..as for being wrong its my opinion does`nt make me wrong...now you can have the final say cos your boring me

Who are you; his Dad? You want to get out more Rogues.

No-one is suggesting he isn't an excellent player (well, no-one sensible) but you've shot your load by saying the poor lad has the 'potential to be an all time great', assuming that isn't an oxymoron in itself. Talk about piling on the pressure...

Admittedly Rogues can talk bull sometimes.

He started at Wigan at 16, and I saw most of his academy home games, and a few away.

I saw all his first team games last season plus some of his academy games.
I've seen all his games this season.

I'm not his dad, but was sat close by him on Saturday watching Logan playing for Wigan U18's.

I'll stick by what I've said, that is, if he continues to progress the way he has then he has a CHANCE to become an all tine Rugby League great.

He's certainly the best I've seen since Shaun Edwards, that's how highly I rate him.

As I've always said it's about opinions and than God we all different ones, otherwise life would be boring.

Dont argue with em Rogues. If he was a Dire player they would say he already is one of the world greats. He will be one of the best in the very near future they're just bitter cos they lost the scouse derby last week and lost the battle to catch us.

yawn! i feel quite confident in saying that you are nowt but a troll of the lowest kind, now run home, your pies are getting cold!