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| What is it with certain wiganers and wingers??
Did we not have this not so long ago with Ainscough and look what happened to him..
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"we have at the very least 2 better wingers than JC, personally i think we have more than that.
JC is in your side because of the salary cap and the need for a mixture of salaries.'" He has kept Goulding out this season (who was the 2nd top try scorer last season) nothing to do with the cap he's playing better and he's getting picked
England should be more like Wigan if you dont peform you dont get picked simple but we dont have that luxury with certain positions do we same old rubbish give the young blood a shot they cant do any worse
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"You have probably picked 2 of the worse wingers when it comes to defence in SL, the big aussie and kiwi backs would have a field day against them.
Charnley is ok when running the ball in open space at SL level but if he gets anywhere near an international side then it will be time to call it a day, he's not much different to Peter Fox when he burst onto the international scene, i'd see it going the same way.'" Sorry Rob you said locky wasn't good enough for England your opinion has gone down in my eyes
The guy is in for M.O.S this season and gets through a lot of defensive work his work rate is second to none
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| Quote ="king warrior"Sorry Rob you said locky wasn't good enough for England your opinion has gone down in my eyes
The guy is in for M.O.S this season and gets through a lot of defensive work his work rate is second to none'"
Easy tiger, i didn't say O'Loughlin wasn't a good SL player. I said in the majority of games at international level he's been poor, certainly nowhere near his level of form for Wigan.
A bit similar to Kevin Sinfield, a very good SL player that has a lot of influence on his side at club level but looks like a fish out of water at international level.
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| No way is Charnley good enough for England. At least not yet.
It'll be Briscoe + Hall as the wingers, although Briscoe + BJB would be my preference.
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| 1 Sam Tomkins
2 Ryan Hall
3 Chris Bridge
4 Kirk Yeaman
5 Tom Briscoe
6 Gareth Widdop
7 Danny Brough
8 Adrian Morley
9 James Roby
10 James Graham (c)
11 Sam Burgess
12 Gareth Ellis
13 Sean O'Loughlin
14 Luke Robinson
15 Ben Westwood
16 Jamie Peacock
17 Garreth Carvell
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| Quote ="inside_man"No way is Charnley good enough for England. And never will be!
It'll be Briscoe + Hall as the wingers, although Briscoe + BJB would be my preference.'"
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| Quote ="inside_man"No way is Charnley good enough for England.'"
Thank God for that, thought it was just me.
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| Quote ="Ian 77 Redux"Thank God for that, thought it was just me.'"
I think he's a talented winger, makes lots of metres ball in hand, very dangerous attacking wise. But also has some defensive failings, however he's still pretty young, and doesn't have an experienced centre inside of him which I still feel contributes to a good deal of his "mistakes".
He has the potential, little while longer yet though. Better than Foster already mind!
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| Quote ="inside_man"I think he's a talented winger, makes lots of metres ball in hand, very dangerous attacking wise. But also has some defensive failings, however he's still pretty young, and doesn't have an experienced centre inside of him which I still feel contributes to a good deal of his "mistakes".
He has the potential, little while longer yet though. Better than Foster already mind!'"
Fair enough - not sure he'll be able to iron out his defensive failings to the extent I'd put him up against an Australian winger.
Agree that he's better than Foster. He's average to good, suspect he'll play a lot of games because of his goalkicking alone which is superb.
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| Quote ="inside_man"I think he's a talented winger, makes lots of metres ball in hand, very dangerous attacking wise. But also has some defensive failings, however he's still pretty young, and doesn't have an experienced centre inside of him which I still feel contributes to a good deal of his "mistakes".
He has the potential, little while longer yet though. Better than Foster already mind!'"
It's harder to get at Foster though, to highlight his weaknesses. Against Wigan, we just kept coming back at Charnley and he had no answers. When the sides meet again, I think I know where our attack wll focus.
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| I don't think this will be far away:
1 Sam Tomkins (Wigan Warriors, Wigan St Pats)
2 Ryan Atkins (Warrington Wolves, Stanningley)
3 Chris Bridge (Warrington Wolves, Waterhead)
4 Kirk Yeaman (Hull FC, Myton Warriors)
5 Tom Briscoe (Hull FC, Featherstone Lions)
6 Leon Pryce (St Helens, Queensbury)
7 Richie Myler (Warrington Wolves, Halton West Bank)
8 Adrian Morley (Warrington Wolves, Eccles)
9 James Roby (St Helens, Blackbrook)
10 James Graham (St Helens, Blackbrook)
11 Jamie Peacock (Leeds Rhinos, Stanningley)
12 Gareth Ellis (Wests)
13 Sean OāLoughlin (Wigan Warriors, Wigan St Pats)
14 Luke Robinson (Huddersfield Giants, Siddal)
15 Joel Tomkins (Wigan Warriors, Wigan St Pats)
16 Ben Westwood (Warrington Wolves, Normanton)
17 Garreth Carvell (Warrington Wolves, Stanningley)
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| Myler really..... his good in our team because we make so many breaks and his a great support player, but he is a weakness in defence at times as we saw with Wigan first try in the Cup, think we need a 7 with more creativity and a good kicking game. at Intenrtaional level.
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| Brough seems to be the current choice. Lomax has also been called up to the full squad from the Knights.
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| Sinfield is an all or nothing player, he should be picked if you want him for his goalkicking, positional play and to a lesser extent distribution. If picked he would need to be focal point for the attacking plays, i dont think he has that quality at this level, so he should be left out IMO.
Picking him and Lockers does not work, if your going to start with O'Loughlin, forget Sinfield
Quote ="Ron"Myler really..... his good in our team because we make so many breaks and his a great support player'"
Exactly, he hasnt got an ounce of creativity but is the best support player in the league for me. I'd put him on the bench for that reason
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| Where do people get this "no creativity" lfrom with Myler. The Majority of our attacks are set up by him. How many tries have our left edge scored?
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| Quote ="shambawangy"Sinfield is an all or nothing player, he should be picked if you want him for his goalkicking, positional play and to a lesser extent distribution. If picked he would need to be focal point for the attacking plays, i dont think he has that quality at this level, so he should be left out IMO.
Picking him and Lockers does not work, if your going to start with O'Loughlin, forget Sinfield'"
Agree here
Quote ="shambawangy"Exactly, he hasnt got an ounce of creativity but is the best support player in the league for me. I'd put him on the bench for that reason'"
But that bit is rubbish. He had a poor game in the QF, Hodgson had a stinker, doesn't make you a poor player overnight. Form is temporary, class is permanent.
Myler has come on leaps and bounds this year especially in organising the attack, taking 2nd receiver more and more. He's still a long way from the finished article but he's a talent no doubt. FWIW I would pick Widdop & Brough as I don't think Myler's quite ready, mainly due to Brough's kicking game is probably the best in the league and something we'd need to try and negate Slater, Yow Yeh & Morris on kick returns.
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| I'd go.
1) Widdop
2) Briscoe
3) Bridge
4) Atkins
5) BJB
6) Brough
7) Myler
8 ) Moz
9) Roby
10) Graham
11) Ellis
12) Burgess
13) Grix
14)Robinson
15)Wood
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17)Carvell
Breeze through the aussies that.
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| Is the Grix selection an in-joke on here?
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| 1. S.Tomkins - Easy choice
2. Briscoe - Best winger
3. J.Tomkins - seemed to do alright there for Wigan and can defend better than others
4. Reed? - No idea what he is like, seen little of him. Just taking other peoples views.
5. Hall - Not many to pick from so I have to choose him
6. Widdop - Seems a class act
7. Brough - Kicking game alone
8. Mossop - Form prop, won't happen though
9. Roby - Easy choice
10. Graham - Easy choice
11. Westwood - Only starts because Burgess is out
12. Ellis - Top player in NRL
13. O'Loughlin - Don't know who else to choose
14. Crabtree - Done okay in Internationals
15. Carvell - Good form this year
16. Wilkin - Superb season
17. Pryce - cover all backs well, played in all of them
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| Quote ="SecondRowSaint"
3. J.Tomkins - seemed to do alright there for Wigan and can defend better than others
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Watched him all year as a Wigan fan, play him at second row or not at all
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Is the Grix selection an in-joke on here?'"
Wash your mouth out!
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| The problem will be when 3 or 4 first choice (whatever the first choice 17 is) are injured.
How we cope with missing players will be crucial and where the coach has most influence
Oh just remembered who the coach is.......we're knackered
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| I never do these things but I think I wont be far off:
Tomkins
Briscoe
Bridge
Shenton
Hall
Widdop
Brough
Graham
Roby
Peacock (shouldnt but will be)
Ellis
Westwood
O'Loughlin
Robinson
Morley
J Tomkins
Griffin
I wouldnt mind seeing Sinfield at 9 again like in 09, I thought he did really well tbh and O'Loughlin could play 12 if we wanted to go with a battering ram loose
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| Quote ="Big Ask"The problem will be when 3 or 4 first choice (whatever the first choice 17 is) are injured.
How we cope with missing players will be crucial and where the coach has most influence
Oh just remembered who the coach is.......we're knackered'"
No, the problem will be that the first 17 are simply not good enough to beat either Australia or New Zealand. The fact that the reserves won't be up to it either is incidental. And crabbing the coach is pointless, really - Wayne Bennett could be in charge of England and they still wouldn't win.
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