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| Quote ="Wires71"So much for welcoming newcomers (or Johnny Come Latelys using Hitman's vernacular)'"
Nom de plumes don't count.
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| Myler, he's young, English and wouldn't swallow huge amounts of salary cap.
Not seen Orford play this year but as other people are saying it'd be nice to move away from signing a different Aussie halfback every couple of years, most of which turn out to be poop.
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| Everyone who wants Orford have forgot about when he used us to bump up his last contract i gather?
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| Quote ="Wires71"So much for welcoming newcomers (or Johnny Come Latelys using Hitman's vernacular)'"
You remembered me. What a high honour indeed.
Anyhow, to be serious for a moment, it depends on Smith's long-term plan. If, for instance, he sees a halfback at 18 years of age in the Academy/reserves that he thinks could be the tallisman of the club for a decade, but isn't quite ready yet, he would probably bring in someone Orford-esque, in the theory that he could train closely with this kid and his experience would rub off on him,making him a better player when he is ready. There's no point bringing in a 19 year old from another club if you want one already here to step up.
On the other hand, if there isn't anyone here that Smith sees as taking on the long term tallisman role, then he would probably bring in someone to do that. Maybe not Myler, but someone of that mould; young, talented and eager to make a mark on the game/club.*
*Luke Robinson's quotations when leaving Wigan spring to mind there, for some reason.
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| Myler, would be a quarter of the cost of Orford.
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| Myler as I have never seen Orford play
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| Some Manly fans have set up a facebook group asking for Monas to be swapped with Orford immediately, based upon his poor form this season.
An ageing over rated Aussie...... just what we need.
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| Quote ="'Hitman' Norvern Soul"You remembered me. What a high honour indeed.
Anyhow, to be serious for a moment, it depends on Smith's long-term plan. If, for instance, he sees a halfback at 18 years of age in the Academy/reserves that he thinks could be the tallisman of the club for a decade, but isn't quite ready yet, he would probably bring in someone Orford-esque, in the theory that he could train closely with this kid and his experience would rub off on him,making him a better player when he is ready. There's no point bringing in a 19 year old from another club if you want one already here to step up.
On the other hand, if there isn't anyone here that Smith sees as taking on the long term tallisman role, then he would probably bring in someone to do that. Maybe not Myler, but someone of that mould; young, talented and eager to make a mark on the game/club.*
*Luke Robinson's quotations when leaving Wigan spring to mind there, for some reason.'"
Agreed with that, if we have any talent of our own at halfback in the age range of 15-17 then get Orford over for a couple of years, raise the standards of the first team, start feeding the young lad in and give him game time where he doesn't have to be a dominant partner, then let him hit the ground running when Orford leaves.
If the cupboard is bare then importing a younger upcoming player from outside who is hungry for success will be a smarter move.
BUT - the danger with Myler is that if he is as good as people think he is, he may not necessarily be a much longer term option than Orford, unless Warrington start winning things pronto. Lets say Myler signs a 3 year deal with us, becomes Englands starting halfback but we don't win any trophies. Half way into his second season we start hearing that he wants to join a club which will further his ambitions and he is released with the line "We only want players who are committed to the club....."
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| Both quality players.
Orford would be best in the short term. Simply stay for 2/3years, play a big part in getting Wire to where they want to be, pick up his pay cheque then leave.
Myler on the other hand wont have as big of an impact, but his stay could be long term. A bit like Sean Long of Saints. Long isnt as good as Orford but Long has been at Saints most of his career and has played a big part to where they are now.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"BUT - the danger with Myler is that if he is as good as people think he is, he may not necessarily be a much longer term option than Orford, unless Warrington start winning things pronto. Lets say Myler signs a 3 year deal with us, becomes Englands starting halfback but we don't win any trophies. Half way into his second season we start hearing that he wants to join a club which will further his ambitions and he is released with the line "We only want players who are committed to the club....."'"
Yeh but that's a daft argument. In order for us to step a level above where we have been in the past few years, we are going to have to sign young players with success ahead of them instead of behind them. If we say, no we'd best not do that in case they decide to leave, we'll never get anywhere!
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| non of this will matter coz if we dont snatch myler up soon wigan will get him.
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| They've got Super Sam and Leuluai has just re-signed.
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| Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"They've got Super Sam and Leuluai has just re-signed.'"
Wigan + homegrown talent = Huddersfield
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| We're rich, you're not.....get over it.
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"We're rich, you're not.....get over it.'"
I know.
We're successful........constantly, so much its boring, you're not.
Get over it.
Tit for tat rocks.
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| And whats the problem discussing Matt orford and Myler as potential signings......?
Especially when Briers is in the last year of his contract and Monaghan is rumoured to be wanting to go home....
should we sit with our heads up our ar$e and hope two replacements appear by magic.........?
We got Matt King away from the NRL when he was one of its star names we got Got Gleeson from a grotty little club down the road when he didnt want to come here.....
we even Got the World greatest player and more media attention than a trophy winning saint helens side......
we can sign whoever we want because we are loaded....... tax man??? bring it on .....and keep the change
signing a 31 year old Matt orford or some kid from Salford isnt exactly like prising Billy slater away from the NRL is it.........
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"And whats the problem discussing Matt orford and Myler as potential signings......?
Especially when Briers is in the last year of his contract and Monaghan is rumoured to be wanting to go home....
should we sit with our heads up our ar$e and hope two replacements appear by magic.........?
We got Matt King away from the NRL when he was one of its star names we got Got Gleeson from a grotty little club down the road when he didnt want to come here.....
we even Got the World greatest player and more media attention than a trophy winning saint helens side......
we can sign whoever we want because we are loaded....... tax man??? bring it on .....and keep the change
signing a 31 year old Matt orford or some kid from Salford isnt exactly like prising Billy slater away from the NRL is it.........'"
you haveing a bad day m8.
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| Quote ="bombheadwire"you haveing a bad day m8.
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No.....
its just hard work having to educate the great unwashed (Saints Fans)
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"No.....
its just hard work having to educate the great unwashed (Saints Fans)'"
igonore m8. to say he finds his club success boreing just sums him up realy.
thay can have all the success in the world but there clubs in tatters financialy. maybe thay should get johnny vegas get his cash out
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"And whats the problem discussing Matt orford and Myler as potential signings......?'"
Nowt
Quote ="the flying biscuit"Especially when Briers is in the last year of his contract and Monaghan is rumoured to be wanting to go home....'"
Briers and Monaghan. Both failures. Replacements, whoever they are will more than likely be failures (and probably expensive ones).
Quote ="the flying biscuit"should we sit with our heads up our ar$e and hope two replacements appear by magic.........?'"
Best bet would be giving up I reckon. The combined might of the Aussie National side couldn't bring success to your place (and I bet you've already tried signing most of them.................and failed).
Quote ="the flying biscuit"We got Matt King away from the NRL when he was one of its star names we got Got Gleeson from a grotty little club down the road when he didnt want to come here.....'"
You threw mega bucks at King and hes garbage.
Gleeson was kicked out from Saints and you threw him the most money. Hes now gone as well, another 2 failures.
Quote ="the flying biscuit"we even Got the World greatest player and more media attention than a trophy winning saint helens side......'"
And what did this get you ? Success or Failure ? Failure................
Quote ="the flying biscuit"we can sign whoever we want because we are loaded....... tax man??? bring it on .....and keep the change'"
What on earth ? Dude, Warrington are garbage, regardless of money. You've tried signing every player on the planet and its got you nowhere. Where were Warrington when Gidley and Puletua were available ? The recruitment policy at Wire revolves around names rather than the team needs. Your inane nonsense about the taxman and you somehow being proud of taking him/her on is a little weird, not sure what you are hoping to achieve through it ?
Quote ="the flying biscuit"signing a 31 year old Matt orford or some kid from Salford isnt exactly like prising Billy slater away from the NRL is it.........'"
Signing Myler seems a bit too sensible and constructive for Warrington in all honesty. Signing Orford is something I would expect and paying him 3 times what you would Myler. FWIW I can't see Myler going to you chaps, more than likely end up at a big club I reckon. The Antipoedeans will go to wherever offers them the most in true mercenary fashion, hence Matt King at you chaps.
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| it seems to me its only saints fans that come on our forums and give crap!
i think this is becouse thay find us a worry and know sometime in the near future where gonna have our day so there getting in there whilst thay can before its our turn
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| Quote ="Stirlingshire Saint"What on earth ? Dude, Warrington are garbage, regardless of money. You've tried signing every player on the planet and its got you nowhere. Where were Warrington when Gidley and Puletua were available ? The recruitment policy at Wire revolves around names rather than the team needs. Your inane nonsense about the taxman and you somehow being proud of taking him/her on is a little weird, not sure what you are hoping to achieve through it?'"
Dude? Where are you from, California?
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| Quote ="Stirlingshire Saint"Nowt
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"thats the only thing you got right in your reply.....'"
Yes !!!!!
And thats the reason you haven't replied to any of my points.
You keep living in your Warringtonian bubble where life is rosy and you win plenty. Matt King, Matt Orford, Jesus Christ himself, Martin Gleeson, Andrew Johns have all lead Wire to the path of glory, as has Moran and his millions with Cullen, Lowes and whatever other crackpot chooses to try and take the most mediocre shower of a rugby side in British RL.
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