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| Just 12 points scored in 2 home games against St Helens and Wigan is an embarrassment.
And going off last nights performance, Wire's brief flirtation with glory years is OVER.
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| Quote ="WidnesJohn"
And going off last nights performance, Wire's brief flirtation with glory years is OVER.'"
Be sure to give us a nudge when yours start.
You''ll need a f***ing Delorean. Happy New Year 1989.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"The reasons we aren't at our best are called Lee and Briers and come September they will still be valid.'"
Fair point but I didn't feel his influence was quite as big as in previous years last season and it'll just take some time to adjust. Your backline simply has to have Russell at 1, Ratchford at 6 with O'Brien at 7 IMO and if that is utilised going forward from now it'll be a really dangerous trio come the back end of the season.
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| Did the display honestly come as a shock to anyone?
Lets be honest.... we have no half backs, no pace, no kicking game, no creativity and a horrible static looking attack... But this has been the case all season, so nothing has changed really.
The Asostasi signing doesn't look to be money well spent on the first few games... As some have said, i would swap him for Carvell in a heartbeat.
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| It wasn't the worst performance ever - you really haven't watched enough wire games if you think so.
The halves continue to be an issue - GOB is not the miracle that people were claiming a couple of games ago. There were some positives though... the defence was largely good and the score reflected that. There are some decent performances from some fairly raw players which will give us the depth needed to carry on to the end of the season. Atkins looked a bit better than his admittedly woeful early season form - showed a hunger that he has definitely been lacking.
The bad is pretty self evident - the sooner russell is playing 80 minutes the better, because we look much more threatening when he is on the pitch. Backs need a shuffle again and Evans should come in... possibly even resting Monaghan.
One thing I did like though is the option of Mick Monaghan at half... with him on the bench able to come in for either myler or higham depending on where he's needed (or even higham but myler at hooker) gives us an extra tactical dimension.
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| But, just like garlic bread in Phoenix Nights we are seeing the future......the game is turning into a sport that will only find future success from developing its own British trained players & it will affect most teams unless the powers that be can find a way off attracting greater numbers into playing rugby league & producing more competition for places. It's no good expecting solutions from Oz because they are only going after our best players because they are not producing their own. There isn't the ready made talent to bring in any more & what is available from overseas is usually over priced & over rated.
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| Quote Russell played great but what an absolute waste of a bench spot, grow some balls Tony drop Myler and have Russell playing from the off.'"
Fully agree with this. Myler cannot, and should not, be guaranteed a starting place every match. It has to be based on performance.
As has been mentioned previously, the way SL is structured now, these earlier matches are the ideal time to try different starting combinations, as a potential loss now is not as damaging as a loss further down the line.
From what was witnessed last night, with that gutless performance, something has to change.
Wither Lee Bries..
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| Ratchford Should be at 6
Ormsby Would like to see more of him
Bridge & Atkins disappeared for most of the game
J Monaghan out done
O’Brien needs a run at 7 without myler
Myler No idea in attack made some good tackles
Hill solid
Higham last season me thinks
Asotasi was he even playing?
Waterhouse had a good game
Westwood not captain material runs blood to water silly Pen on our first real attack
Grix all over the place last night
Wolves Subs: Laithwaite awful game
G Riley we wont see him again for a while
Russell should be starting team effort improved when he came on
M Monaghan played his normal game
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| I do not have any expectations this season in the cup or league.
To lose players of the calibre we did and not replace them must mean the club does not have great expectations either.
I think TS is using this season to assess his existing players in the heat of the Super League before deciding what positions need investment. The signs are worrying at the moment with some players past their sell-by date and others not indicating they are likely to make the grade.
Last night Wigan weren't that good but we were abysmal and out enthused.
I only hope that when and if we enter the transfer market, the players are available to fill the holes and, further, it is not a given that SM will dip into his pockets to finance signing new players as people take for granted. He has made substantial investments in the club which has resulted in success on the field but the town, as a whole, has not responded by swelling the attendance figures as much as he was entitled to expect.
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| When can we start the "smith out" chants
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| Overall the defence was very good, annoying to have those lapses out wide. Our attack still looks too flat, static, disorganised, and slow.
I don't understand how Ben Evans dropped out of the team for Glenn Riley, and how Rhys Evans can't get a place.
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| Did anyone see Jon well anaylsis after?
He pointed out 2/3 situations where there'd have been a simple try on for warrington if they'd picked the right pass or russell has moved into the right position.
A little more cohesion and link between playmakers and warrington could have won the agme despite playing poorly.
Nothing that can't be easily fixed.
Warrington will be fine come september/oct.
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| Jon Wells has been working alongside Phil Clarke too long then.
Poor kicks and handling in addition to the all round physical attributes of 2/3 of the team I would say.
We could still be playing now and still not have scored.
I don't buy it.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"Did anyone see Jon well anaylsis after?
He pointed out 2/3 situations where there'd have been a simple try on for warrington if they'd picked the right pass or =#FF0000russell has moved into the right position.
A little more cohesion and link between playmakers and warrington could have won the agme despite playing poorly.
Nothing that can't be easily fixed.
Warrington will be fine come september/oct.'"
But if you also saw Wanes pre match interview he alluded to that exact point about Russell whilst he was at Wigan.
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| It's time for TS to make his mind up now about what's happening with the half-backs. So far there's been lots of chopping and changing in an apparent attempt to shoehorn all of them into the side, but with Russell now looking certain to start at full-back, it's time to either pick two from three of Ratchford, Myler and O'Brien and stick with it, or possibly to put Ratchford at centre and drop either Bridge or Atkins, which seems the least likely option.
Sadly, I don't think any option will suddenly transform our fortunes as far as this season goes, but stability and consistency of selection would at least help. I always regarded this as likely to be a transitional season, but it's starting to look more like a treading water season really, with a desperate need for players who can add creativity and organisation.
We must, surely, be well under the salary cap, taking into account those who left and those we have signed since the end of last season, but it's hard to see anyone of sufficient quality moving mid-season, even if we wanted to go down that route.
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| If we'd played a cloned team of ourselves we'd have both lost last night.
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| Quote ="Wire Yed"If we'd played a cloned team of ourselves we'd have both lost last night.'"
naa 0-0 surely?
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| Early days, he's caught by trying to pick players to get them to gel (Asotosi HB combinations), play them into form (Atkins Bridge Myler)whilst managing a few injuries (Wood Harrison Russell) and trying a few younger lads out (Ormsby Riley Evans Laithwaite)
Sorry we've not seen more of Rhys Evans and Dwyer to be honest but I think that there is a real search by TS for our best 17 until we find that and a way to play it's going to be tough.
Last night wasn't the worst I've seen by a long way Wigan probably deserved their win but a bit more composure we could've nicked it and this board would have been a different place.
Also a bit strange seeing our right hand side getting attacked constantly
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| Mike Monaghan is captain and Higham is our best hooker so Dwyer is going to find it tough getting in the side.
GOB had his first ordinary game which is the excuse Tony Smith has been looking for to drop him, Myler is untouchable it would seem.
Asotasi is just a run of the mill prop, severely underwhelming and I guess won't be dropped, Captain material they said, a leader at Souths? Really? He's quiet, he drives in half ars*d in fact sometimes will pointlessly pass so not to have to take it in. Inspire? He's the Chesterfield of spires.
Riley must have body dismorphia syndrome, he looks in the mirror and sees an 8 stone weakling, run it in lad you're an absolute beast and don't skip leg day at the gym, in fact double up on leg day.
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| Quote ="Wire Yed"Mike Monaghan is captain and Higham is our best hooker so Dwyer is going to find it tough getting in the side.
I can see it's going to be tough, but, why haven't we seen more of Dwyer to make our minds up?
I accept that it is Tony Smith's mind, not ours that needs to be made up, but, it appears that its already a done deal on the hooking places, which is a bit of a shame IMO
Not quite sure this captaincy thing is working either
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| Lots of frustration on here - and I can easily understand that.
We were well beaten and didn't really look like breaking the Wigan line all night. Wigan were well worth their 10 point margin and to be honest I didn't expect anything else.
I thought Westwood and Waterhouse were immense last night. You couldn't fault either for commitment and desire.
Russell showed promise and Ormsby did OK.
Monas and Higham had reasonable games - Monas particularly injecting some 'attacking' defence.
But I also have to credit Wigan (through gritted teeth) for their defence which snuffed us out completely.
I was also mightily impressed with their attack and in particular their 'blitzkreig' like moves have 4-5 players close together in 2 lines attacking our flank. Most impressive against our right. I've not seen that before, and once they'd broken the line there is no way Joel would catch his opposite number. He's got a lot of attributes but simply isn't fast - come back Spider......
TS has a lot of work to do and it's clear he's not sure of the way to play the halves. For what it's worth I don't think you can easily interchange halves. They're too pivotal.
But look at other 'winning' teams in the past and they've developed through the year. Let's hope....
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| Quote ="Wolvesno1fan"I can't see why the club would happy with a cup run and top 6. We've been building every season for years now. And then suddenly this season we seem to have taken quite a few steps back.
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Building every season? You didn't recruit at all last season. This season you signed Asotasi, Russell and brought Penny back. Time was, Wire would bid for every decent player they could lay their hands on!
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| Salford were most impressive against our impregnable right hand side last week ....twice .
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| That was Wigan in disguise too....Dominic Manfredi!!
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"That was Wigan in disguise too....Dominic Manfredi!!'"
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