As I've said earlier in this thread, the fact that Russell has such a long contract is criminal. Ask yourself if he would get into Wigan Leeds or even this season's saint's team. The answer to that should indicate whether he should be in our team.

Never mind the 3 Super League teams you have quoted, would he get a gig in any other Super League team?.......
Maybe Widnes?

Farrell is one of the fastest non-wingers in SL

Number of Wigan academy lads in the Wigan 17 = 14

Number of Wire academy lads in the Wire 17 = 4

Number of Wigan academy lads in the Wire 17 = 4

I think it is 5
Cooper - Jullien - King - Philbin - Dwyer
Overseas players Wire 1 - Wigan 3

I will be investing some of my HMRC tax refund on a Wigan win in the cup coz we are just fecking crap at the moment and like previous posters have said that was nowhere near a full strength Wigan team.Said it before clear out needed starting with Smith + his best buddy.

It argues well what you said just then to back Wire though.
Playing poorly and not getting beaten.

Looking at the reaction of O'Loughlin yesterday when the ref was giving him a talking to i had to wonder if Thaler was really in charge. It looked more like football at times with the player walking away mid bo****king.

He was 100% deffo onside, in fact he was possibly a couple of yards onside. Just timed his run to perfection.

THE HOOF

Last year, if you can believe this, there were some on here who said that Jack Hughes was the better player.

Julian was an Avignon academy player and signed from North Wales Crusaders. He was also a French International before we signed him. I don't think he counts as a player that has come through our academy system.

The respect for the referee is on the wane, they mentioned on Sky that Hughes grabbed the referee to tell him about the boot incident to which you refer.

There was only one point where I recognised Warrington, the jack Hughes try. The ball flowing along the line from one side to another pivots in the correct place with runners running the angles, common place a few years ago, rarity these days.

I recognised Warrington instantly - lots of unforced errors, uninspiring to watch, yet with the often underused potential to be much better.

Yes, that's the Warrington of 1990-2010 alright, shame its the Warrington of 2015+ too.

1990-2010

did you sleep through 1994......

not a chance will we win this,,in fact i`ll go as far as a 20 point sway in that lots favour,,heres every ones chance to earn some p easy money..

Ah, that year full of excitement and promise, where we still missed out, and it all ultimately proved to be yet another false dawn.

Lol

You said "uninspiring to watch"

Mackey, Shelford, Bateman, and Jonathan Davies...if thats uninspiring ...

ahh cant be d...........

At what point do the hierarchy at the Wire look at this pile of pooh and say to TS "what the feck is going on"?

I now believe that the team has gone too far for the current coaches to be able to turn it around, sadly its time for change.

As with others I was watching and thinking why did we sign Kevin Brown, consistency is his game and sadly its consistently garbage. As for Matty Russell he is getting away with murder, Riley and Penny have been hammered on her for poor shows, this bloke is head and shoulders above them for bad games.

Exactly, are the management happy for the club to be in this position ? Probably one of the best sponsored teams in SL. Is there no sense of urgency,no alarm bells ringing. Will a visit to Wembley paper over the cracks again ?

At the risk of being shot down in flames, I actually think Brown has been doing a lot better in recent games than he did earlier in the season. If he weren't playing then i daresay we wouldn't have beaten Widnes and, against Wigan, a couple of his stray passes were errors by Westwood. Don't get me wrong, he isn't setting the world on fire but without him, at the mo, we'd be in a worse place........ well......in my opinion anyway.

In terms of Russel I'm very 50:50. In terms of his acceleration over short yards, he's second to none, and his strength to bump off numerous defenders is impressive and we would have scored less against Widnes and less against Saints if he hadn't rounded their winger and offloaded to Evans (i think it was) who broke and then, next tackle, we spread the ball wide and scored, and managed to squeeze over himself in the corner. But he is too short, isn't the best at passing and, as numerous people have noted in recent weeks, would get run over all day by bigger and stronger wingers.

Having said that, Penny and Riley were definitely binned for less mistakes than Russell makes!

Tony Smith and Agar are bomb proof. If they were going to get rid it would have been when we were 0/6.

Now we have only lost 1 in last 8 and on the up! Few referee decisions here and there, little more luck with injuries, if the crowd got behind them a little more and actually supported instead of moaning we could be 6th or even 5th. As Brown said in the Guardian we are unstoppable in full flow.

Schofield has summed it up well in the league express today, Russell is either 8/10 or he's atrocious.

Just to say as well, for wigans last try, if I were ratch, covering for Russell having switched off, I'd have took Burgess out in the air, bundled the lover.

Yeah you'll get carded, but you do that before he gets the ball the VR can't give a try for that.

Smith needs to put his pride to one side and drop Russell and Brown into the reserves. He did the same to Lineham for less. Russell has got to have something over smith, it just doesn't make sense. He is utterly woeful.

give that young union lad a chance or Ryan jones, they couldn't possibly be any worse.

Too many players not playing to their pull potential. I'm not sure what Dwyer actually brings to the team when he comes on. anyone can stand behind a play the ball and pass it. Morgan Smith comes on and takes a step, ties the markers up and releases a runner. instead he's dropped to accommodate yet more deadwood.

And that is the difference between Wigan and Wire. Wayne rewards players who are playing well. Smith plays names he likes or faces that fit.