I'd say that last paragraph smells of faeces.

To what evidence are you basing monas being a better coach than either poching or marshall?

Don't suppose there is any spare room in that hyperbaric chamber is there

So much oxygen mate, its bliss...

Perhaps I know more than I make out and one again face the being shot down by the same posters again.

While I'm at it..
I'm also wise to a 2 year extension to a backrower to be announced.

Seriously?

Agar is a journeyman with a series of failures against his name and Monas has never even done any coaching with the U16s or U19s or indeed to my knowledge, anywhere at all.

Head Coach is a very different animal than an Assistant. The Head Coach is often the senior authority figure who keeps a respectful distance between himself and the players so tough decisions can be made. The Assistant generally can then have a closer 'on your side' relationship with the players. However we have seen many times before how hard it can be for an Assistant to make that change. Some people are just inherently more suitable for one role or the other.

There you go then.
Perhaps that is one of the reasons Smith wants Agar.

And hence why you see clubs bring in a Head Coach from elsewhere rather than promote from within. I am trying to think of an Assistant Coach promoted to Head Coach who has ever really succeeded.

But surely there are better options than Agar? Nearly as bad as the time when there was talk of bringing in Millward as Head Of Youth.

in the most cases yes, however you've got the examples of Wane currently at wigan, Mcdermott at leeds (sort of) and bradford bulls 97-2004.

It could be argued that anyone could have coached Leeds to a title during McDermott's tenure there as its been a pretty good team. Likewise with the bradford job, they had a pretty defined structure with the way the first team played, as long as the playing staff was maintained for that, the coach didn't matter a huge amount.

However i do agree with your point on difference between ability as an assistant or a head coach, you see it in football as well, but in RL its apparent, john kear i think is a better number 2, than a head coach. However i wouldn't classify Agar as either, i think Hull were hoping he'd develop into something when they took him from Dewsbury( i think, or FEv) but we've got such a small talent pool for coaches in this country that you see people automatically being selected for jobs they shouldn't have, Darren Abram bounced about a bit, Andy Kelly, Bobbie goulding got the France job for gods sake, and also Tony Benson.

In the lower leagues, people just seem to circulate around, as do the players.

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I think you have me there on Wane, that is a good example but it seems as though he coaches like an Assistant Coach, heart on sleeve, me and the players against the world and with emotion. Makes you wonder if he could succeed elsewhere with that method as he woldn't have the connection with the club. Head Coaches are generally a bit more detached and analytical (they have to be and also be able to stand by any decisions they make... hence they are always to blame if it goes wrong; players and backroom staff always escape a lot of criticism)

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Really??..... Honestly??...... No, I didn't think so.....

It'll not be the first time you'd be wrong about me so your thoughts are of no concern DSM

Being a good player doesn't always mean a straight transition to being a good coach. Look at big fat Garry Schofield for example. Fantastic player but never made it in coaching. Smith was average at best but has become a well established coach.

Its Paul Rowley we need! Top Man management

I don't know if I'm missing some richly amusing vein of irony in some of these pro-Agar comments, or some people have simply taken leave of their senses, so I'll spell it out.

Agar and failure have, to date, gone hand in hand. He has no place at a progressive ambitious club like Warrington.
Anyone musing that his appointment would be good for us needs to stop standing so near to their microwave oven
Michael Monas may one day, having served his apprenticeship, be a fantastic coach. Until then, he has much to learn
Poching & Marshall HAVE done their apprenticeships, and done very well. They deserve their chance before anyone else.

I don't care how good friends Agar & Smith are. I don't care if they send each other poems written on lavender-perfumed pink notepaper.

Wires have taken a long rocky road to reach the summit we currently jointly occupy with the games elite, and we won't remain there by settling for cast-offs, has-beens and neer-weres.

Like mark_m says you don't often see coaches stepping up from assistant to head coach with success, but you do get it occasionally: Elliott and Noble following Brian Smith at Bradford; Wane following Maguire at Wigan; the Liverpool boot room with Shankly, Paisley Fagan and Dalglish. One common thread with those sides is they were all strong teams with stable personnel and leaders on the field.

I think something that gets missed with the talk about coaches is some teams are quite easy to coach, if they have a really professional group of players that have leaders on the field. Leeds today being a classic example.

In other teams its not as easy and probably the main reason assistants don't make the step up very well is because they are usually less well known names taking their first job and so they don't get given the time by the fans or media and also sometimes I think players take liberties when an assistant steps up. It's kind of like the kids at school that will sit quietly when the headmaster comes in but when the supply teacher is called in they throw stuff around.

Also at Liverpool, Bradford Bulls especially or at Barcelona in football these clubs had a particular ethos and identity about the club: the "Liverpool way", the Barcelona style of tiki taka football, that are naturally easier for an insider to take on rather than an outsider.

Although we have played good rugby I don't think Warrington have necessarily got a Tony Smith identity. What is a Tony Smith identity, you can't really define it easily. But strangely his brother had that effect, although he hasn't won the trophies, Brian had that aura of being a legendary coaching guru whose assistants follow him and his style. Maybe the difference is Brian had a much bigger ego and charisma surrounding him, Tony is much more naturally shy and just a good coach without the whole aura surrounding him.

I have no issue as No.2 but why would he quit(not sacked) as a No.1 and become a No.2 at another club unless
a) he was sure he was in line for the top job somewhere down the line
b) he acknowledges he's no good.
c) he has no ambition

D) He hates getting beat each week.

What about Steve folkes who I think was linked with us at some stage towards the end of his bulldogs career. From nrl winning coach to fitness coach for the west indies cricket team.

He is now assistant at St George. I don't know if he left when they sacked Steve price. But he could still be there as an assistant. That's lack of ambition or maybe he's like Brian Noble a once top coach that actually for some reason no one wants.

Richard agar may have seen that at Warrington we stick by our staff, It's a better place to work than at wakey. Hes got a chance of being involved in some big games. And the pay may not actually be that different from the head coach pay he currently gets. I would say is a smart move. If he comes as assistant then I don't have a worry. If it's the head coach then yes I'd think wtf....

Both assistant coaches leaving at the end of the season! Contracts not renewed!

Agar is coming in as Assistant, wanted away from Wakey because of the instability!

Waterhouse is going home.

If true I can not fathom why both their contracts have not been renewed, I thought both were being groomed to one day one of them to replace TS.

I think we all thought Waterhouse was going he is such a cracing player and will be a massive loss to us.

I'm guessing you consider yourself a better judge of assistant coaches than Tony Smith then?

E.) More money.