yea he'd probably then Punch Ryan hoffman and Anthony Watmough in the faces simultaneously decking them both.

HE's Reet hard is thar lad tomkins




kin ell not only is he the new Shaun Edwards hes now Dean Bell as well...the kids a freakin genious

Steady Biscuit, sounds like you're building the lad up, don't want to do that, he might get cocky.

That was just an example.

Tomkins defence is better than Mylers.

Tomkins will at least be in the position to tackle even though most players wont pull off a tackle one on one with him, Tomkins will have a chance through technique and positioning, Myler will be hiding, Tomkins gets stuck in and he will irritate the aussies.

the one they need drop is that mcguire custard back,myler tompkins and higham for me tony smith the hookers were total

The debate shouldn't be Tomkins or Myler after tonight. It should now be McGuire or Tomkins and to me Tomkins would be winning by a street if only Sinfield would step up to the plate and produce his organising form like at Leeds.

If Sinfield can find his feet at this level the 2 young lads in Tomkins and Myler will thrive.

Eastmond should take either the fullback or left centre berth next week aswell. We need to pick these attacking youngsters and a monster pack including both Carvell and Crabtree imo.

Does Tomkins have any weaknesses?

He's rubbish at prop but thats about it

No chance. His technique and positioning will let him get by, Sam won't go hiding, even in the pack.

Funny thing is the lad would actually have a go there.

In all seriousness though he has as many weaknesses as Myler but the thing is the pair of them have no more then an experienced player like McGuire and both look to have more attributes at the moment.

Like i say if only Sinfield would step up we could play the pair of them but if he doesn't both could end up with egg on their faces against the Australians.

I think Sinfield's overrated to be honest. I'd rather us go with a workhorse at loose, like Lockers or Ellis, and at least try to match the Aussies for strength and industry. People will point to Sinfield's defensive stats, but they don't tell the story, for me, he's easily targeted and he's a bit 'soft'.

Some people have said play Sinfield at 6, it's a possibility, but I dunno, I'm not keen on Sinfield at this level, he looks well out of his depth.

As for Myler and this whole organization thing that keeps popping up. Call me a little dumb, but I'm not fully certain what this organization is. Is it organizing the plays? Setting up the defence for certain moves? Keeping communication throughout the team? Is it gaining the side good metres and position via kicking? Could somebody give me an example of somebody currently playing who's a great organizer at 7? Is JT?

go on then, diagram requested!

no fookin pie charts please!

my god here you go again! you really are the pinacle of whit and humour! you troll on here spouting your pie sentiment, bringing into question the brain capacity of the wire fans on this forum. with your sweeping generalisations and innability to debate anything perhaps you should have been on question time the other night instead of mr Griffin.


you really are a gimp, now get back in your box pie boy!

Myler is miles behind Tomkins and Eastmond. I know people will point to the fact he scored two tries last night but he was anoymous the rest of the game.

NickyKiss,

Please stop posting sensible, non provoking posts on this board. You really should know better.....

myler never missed a tackle last night so where dor's the better come in

One of the only good posters from the pie board along with Pemps

briers is "welsh" because he could never get in an england side. Agree on brough though.

Just like Cunningham

I did'nt know Myler was playing until I saw him trudging off the pitch at h/t.

Took his tries well enough, but was'nt involved as much as I'd have liked.

Smith has an awful lot of work on his hands before next weeks game, especially in defense. To have a chance, we must play players in their correct positions and start off with Tompkins and Eastmond as halfbacks.

All the talk on other boards is how poor Myler was, whilst Danny Mcguire's shocking performance has gone unnoticed. Ben Westwood seems to be taking alot of flak aswell, from surprise surprise, Wigan fans

That was always going to happen. Because of Smiths involvement with us.

McGuire's poor performance will go unnoticed

The only people defending McGuire are the Leeds fans.

I really don't understand how McGuire and Sinfield can play so well in the Grand Final and be so poor last night.
I questioned McGuire and Sinfields kicking game, and this was the Leeds answer.

McGuire has been far from criticism on the Wigan board and me along with plenty of others would leave him out for next week. He should have put his hand up last night alongside a young halfback in Myler and took on the responsibility but he didn't and had a woeful game.

As for Ben Westwood he struggled along with plenty of others and i would leave him out next week but thats not a witch hunt against him. I rate him highly and would have had him in my superleague dream team but next week i want to see us pack the backs with young exciting talent and protect them with a huge pack bringing in Carvell and Crabtree on the bench with Crabtree playing 2nd row.

And you told me I don't contribute

(even though I do)

This is brilliant



After watching the game again I only feel that wire fans and Tony Smith have been made to look abit silly for their opinions.

Myler was very very poor other than his two well taken tries, his defence and positioning caused chaos and where wwas this organisation that Tony Smith put him in the team for? I did not see him talking or setting the line or anything! Tomkins does that every week for us and last week against Wales.

Still not notcied it's only Warrington fans who actually want Myler in the team over Tomkins?

for next week,i would drop Peacock bring in Carvell. Drop Sinfield bring in Crabtree.Play Crabtree at 2nd row and put Ellis at Loose forward. Drop L Smith bring in Bridge. Eastmond at full back and play Myler 7 Tomkins 6