Exactly. Once upon a time he used to get up and aim punches at everyone, doing absolutely everything but connect with it - and when he was doing it, and when people believed he was capable, it worked - it scared the crap out of the majority of forward packs in the league.

Now, I think most of the forward packs just quietly giggle at him everytime he tries it.

He can be the best prop in the world, when he wants to be.. Runs strong, agile for a big fella with the hands of a stand off! With the right front row partner he could be astonsihing! LMS isnt the right one though, he is trying to hard to be his own 'maverick'

Out of interest (only because i haven't seen it for so long) if you give the ref lip after a penalty, can he still give the attacking team an extra 10 metres ?

Pretty sure you can. Although now you mention it, I'm struggling to think of the last time I saw it happen, too.

It is still allowed, just officials no longer have the 'go-nads' to give it... other than Ganson that is

Talking of whinging at the ref: what was Wellans moaning/appealing about to Bentham when Anderson scored his try?

He also tries to ref and dictate the game.I have no idea what he was complaining about.

I would dispute this. In fact, I think you might be sucking up to your Saints-supporting mates.

Briers has always been a savvy half-back but he has never been anything like the whinger Graham is. I'm not saying he hasn't overstepped the mark on occasion, but Graham takes umbrage every time someone tackles him.

I don't think I've ever seen Wellens not complain after conceding a try...

It appeared as though he thought it was a double movement when it was clearly not, thought he would have a good old whinge forgetting it was on the goggle box and would be overruled! He looked a complete knob waving his arms to no avail! Laughable

I thought he was appealing for a forward pass

We'll agree to disagree on that one then. I've seen Briers throw some proper dummy-spit tantrums over his career with us, specifically early on which was when he got his reputatiton for being a whinger that other teams fans won't let go (even though, these days, he's extremely level headed).

It did look a blatant double movement in real time so I can see where he would get that idea from. I only realised it wasn't when I saw it on the screen. He went to put it down but held it above ground then moved it down.

I was going mental at the whole team then. Anderson at that stage only had one leg, he could barely put weight on his other and still managed to waltz through.

<reminiscing alert>That has just put me in mind of when Nat Wood had a stormer vs. Wigan @ the HJ. He could barely walk but was running through the defence like he had a rocket up his .</reminiscing alert>

Scored under the sticks then went in the Wigan end

Saw it from 10 metres away, Anderson had lost control of the ball regained it with both arms on the floor then started to move again to put the ball over.....double movement, Wellens asked Bentham to go to the screen, Bentham declined and gave the try.

Strange how it showed up on TV that he held the ball and his arms up and then grounded it correctly. Isn't it amazing how often reality is wrong, especially when you're getting a hammering and looking for any excuse.

AHAHAHAH maybe get your eyes checked mate, because sky footage shows nothing of the sort!

Incredible..............I have watched it about 8 times and at no point does he loose the ball, regain it and one or both of his arms hit the ground to create a double movement!

Jog on ya fool!!!

ten metres away from knowsley road maybe, the joy of sky plus means we can confirm you should have gone to specsavers!

and to para-phrase you "wellens yet again sulked and moaned at the ref to give them a chance, and bentham dismissed him as a fool who takes getting beaten badly and awarded the try"

To be fair it did look like it at the ground. I appealed until I saw the screen and it looked completely different. An optical illusion if you will. Quite how the ref saw it right is beyond me, but fair play to him for that.

It was never a double movement, it's as simple as that. And it's nice to see Bentham stand his ground when Wellens is screaming in his ear.

I mentioned this (the ref whinging) in a similar post relating to Super Sini signing for another 4 years at the Whinos.

You NEVER see the ref marching the offending side back 10 metres anymore, but the level of whinging has rocketed in the last couple of years, Saints and Leeds being the worst offenders. As I said in the same post, at annoys the pooh out of me, when Briers does it ( to be honest, he still does it, though not to the degree of say, 6 or seven years ago).

Instead of the refs being over-pedantic over certain minor infringements at the start of every season, they should be instructed to be tougher on the abuse they take. MARCH SINNERS BACK 10M EVERYTIME, they'll soon stop abusing refs, then.

Surely you can`t think that Kevin Sinfield, Sean O`Loghlin or James Graham would penalise their own teams and march them back 10 metres.

er, NO, obviously