From here it looks like your view on students are a bunch of scruffy lazy t**ts who are hell bent on riots.

I too respect WPC's but i respect PC's just as much. i believe that your not sexist but i still dont see the point in that comment. what does it matter if they are men or women, they are all police officers and should be respected accordingly.

Im not sure yet, how the changes will affect me, i know they wont affect my chemistry fees but i will most probably be paying through the roof for my PGCE so i can teach. it is a price worth paying though.

Finally you are correct, this is a public forum and all views should be aired, however to call somebody a pr*ck is a bit unnecessary

Quite right I should of never of called jdrocket a pr**k, for that I apologise jd.

My anger is aimed towards the rioters whether they be students/anarchists or UAF they were a disgrace!

The en-masse student bashing on this forum is truly embarrassing.

The problem student protests have with getting people to take them seriously is they are young people and a considerable proportion of them are still immature. I'm not saying the cause is unjust but a fair number of students get involved with these protests because they think its cool to be "against the state" rather than because they understand the issues, this is why it comes out in vandalism and wanting to provoke the police.

When I was at uni there were always these complaints about the police but it was because the police were trying to protect the public. I remember one time there was a house party (midweek!) in a terraced house, there were too many people to fit indoors so they all milled out in the street and put drum and bass on through a PA system, it was waking people up a few streets down never mind on this street. By about 3am the police were there and they spent an hour trying to get the crowd to disperse and turn the music off but they were indignant that it was a "free country" and were just taking the mick out of the police. In the end one guy climbed onto the bonnet of one of the police cars with a traffic bollard, to great cheers, and started trying to smash through the police windscreen. Well that was it, the police went at them with dogs and batons, and about 15 minutes later the party was over. Of course the student newspaper was full of coverage of "police brutality" with a picture of an innocent girl getting bitten by a dog and encouraging everybody to write in to the local police force/press/the MP to complain against it.

I don't think a lot of them really understand why they are against the police and against the state, I used to sit in seminars with some of them and they would just make random statements about how the rule of law means slavery and the only true freedom is anarchy, they went on all these anti-capitalism/anti-globalisation protests on campus but now I see from their facebook profiles they have got jobs with KPMG, Merrill Lynch, Deutsche Bank and so on....so they obviously don't hate capitalism that much. In many cases this is Middle England seeing it as a right of passage to play at protest politics when they are at uni, their parents did it going on flower power marches about Vietnam and Ban The Bomb, before they got their well paid professional jobs, its a form of wealthy people patronising protest movements by using them as a fun activity to prove your credentials in the same way as going to Africa on your gap year to get pictures with little African kids around you.

Really......?

a good number of my mates went to uni, all worked hard, all got their rewards in their respective careers (bar one who sells double glazing) i'm sure they would have protested but not a chance would they have been involved in any of the edness thats gone on....

So I can see your point But as reported in the media



and....

the students do not help themselves do they......?

anyway I'm thinking of orgnising a rumble of this nature when we play Wigan at the DW next season....?

Imagine how popular i'll be when i'm photographed at Warrington Cemetry urinating on George formby's grave shouting "turned out nice again"

I'm not defending the activities of those people causing trouble but some of the vitriol aimed at students per se by a few on here is embarrassing. I can only think it's motivated by envy or jealousy.

oooooh you did so well guessing last time. No where near this time.

I don't hate the police.
I did watch it live simultaneously on both sky and the BBC. So i had both a right wing and a central left (if tories are to be believed eg jeremy hunt) i saw everything.
I have the sense to see that they had decided to report on the most extreme areas. The most extreme being smashing windows. Not to extreme. The French would have set fire to cars and buildings.
A minority were throwing things. A minority of police got hit on the head. As you say they were wearing helmets. The fact remains not one police man was injured. They were heavy handed and their planned tactics were horrific. You say they could have given them a 'pasting', how is that acceptable. So they almost killed a couple of students when they could have killed many. So what? they were heavy handed. I have said that it wasn't all the police. Just a select few.

You don't know what those students went their to do. Unless you were there. were you? If so you are a bit of a hypocrite.

Well okay you want to believe the kid was trying to desecrate the dead. That is sad. I don't understand why he would. is that the platform you think he was going for? so his train of thought was "okay there are many students here. I wil take this oppurtunity to show my hatred for the dead"? really? Nah, he is daft and made a mistake. I have only seen the cenotaph once and it had to be pointed out to me. I understood what it was after someone had said what it was. He most likely thought he was standing on, say, a statue or monument like a fountain. If he stood on the Victoria statue at the mall or the lions at nelsons then no one would care. He was just unlucky in where he stood. You shouldn't assume just cause you know something, the world does.

And when will you learn. Don't insult me. Insult the argument. I'm not a member of the male anatomy. You sound like a sulking preteen when you say things like that. It makes your (flawed) argument sound petty.

One thing is for sure if the officers didn't wear their PPE, then I'd guarantee you there would of been police fatalities. You throw a metal bar/snooker ball/lump of concrete at some ones head there is every likelihood it will kill them, FACT!

I really can't see how you can defend the rioters!

1 thing is for sure, and that there will be more civil unrest in the country. Next month vat goes up, as will unemployment, the gas and electric bills will rise, a rise in council tax will be announced, more people will be losing benefits.

These Student/Wombles-led riots are only the beginning.

The whole policy would seem unfair to me on those who intend to study full-time in the future. To make it fair then all current graduates or those who have received any training for City and Guilds and the like should retrospectively pay the cost of their higher education. This would also assist in closing the budget deficit.
I guess this would also be a vote winning policy considering how all the passengers on the Clapham Omnibus off here seem to think it only right that students pay for their education. The only downside would be that I’d guess the protests that followed the announcement of this policy would make the poll tax riots look like the teddy bear’s picnic.

For what its worth my own view is that everybody should have access to free education for as long as they want it. Its ok for the righteous to criticise courses in media studies, video gaming and the like but the reality is that if Britain is going to be anything approaching an economic power in the future then it will require an highly educated workforce specialising in such fields as the policies of the last tory government ensured that the UK has no manufacturing industry left that’s worth talking about.
Strangely enough I was actually in London last Thursday and Friday and never saw or heard a peep of this widespread mayhem. There was however a report in the Evening Standard on Friday and the actual estimate for the clean-up costs for the devastation left behind was actually less than the average debt that a student will graduate from university with – puts it all into context for me.

It's not a free education, somebody as to pay!

alot of people will not be receiving a pay rise for the next couple of years is it right that they fund young Tarquin in his degree on David Beckham!

This arguement has more holes than a sieve
No policemen were hurt, cobblers. Two separate news media companies (BBC and Sky, I dont watch ITN, I prefer my news bulletins to be aimed higher than the audience of SpongeBob Squarepants) reported that the police received x amount of injuries (I can't remember the amount now, but their figures did tally).
Clips showed officers being carried away to receive treatment.
Even if the Police weren't hurt, what were the intentions of the rioters (that's what they are) towards the Police when they were throwing rocks,snooher cues and metal bars...to tickle them. NO, THEY WANTED TO HURT THE POLICE.

You've only seen the Cenotaph once and had to have it pointed out to you. "FLIPPING HECK" HOW POOH THICK ARE YOU

In case you don't remember, every November, huge amounts of the population wear red poppies and reflects on the hundreds of thousands of British Troops who have lost their lives defending our lands and that of our allies. Many of them assemble round the Cenotaph (yes, that thing you've seen on the news over the years that says THE GLORIOUS DEAD and is always called The Cenotaph. I hope this helps. I new what the Cenotaph was, and what it stands for while I was at junior school). You really must be a little "silly".

And your corker "he made a mistake".








A mistake is picking up the wrong brand of beans when you go shopping
A mistake is totaling up a few numbers and getting the answer wrong.
A mistake is putting a red sock in a whites wash.
A mistake IS NOT climbing up on a war memorial, swinging on a flag and generally acting like a knob. It's called unacceptable behaviour and I hope he gets punished appropriately.
When are people (and their sympathisers) going to take responsibility for their actions, instead of classing it as high jinx, and pleading for leniency when they get found out.

I've seen you write some questionable material on this forum over the months, JDRocket, but this has a cherry on the top of it.

FWIW, I hope everyone, protesters and Police, who've transgressed in these sorry episodes, get what's comming to them. As I said before TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS

Your argument is completely full of holes and has absolutely no substance to it. Do you really think that the various news agencies would actually bother to report from the areas where there was nothing going on and ignore the places where there were problems? The fact is that most students went there to lawfully demonstrate, but their demonstration was taken over by a number of diverse groups who were hellbent on causing trouble. I strongly suspect that many of the people causing problems were not students at all, but were full time agitators. Your argument re the Centotaph is just pathetic. Whether Mr Gilmore wanted to cause offence or not, he did offend a large number of people and the argument that he can be forgiven because he was full of drugs is ridiculous. I strongly suspect that you are a student yourself, probably a law student. If that is the case you should know that being drunk or under the influence of drugs is not a legal excuse for wrongdoing.
You also mention the Police actions and that had the demo been in France there would be cars burnt etc. Maybe you should look at some of the recents demos in France and look at the Gendarmerie response.
The fact is that there was violence towards the Police and they responded to it.

look again at the photograph

Again people are making the mistake of believing that just cause you know something the world must.
I will say that it was a few years ago I had to have it pointed out to me. I wasn't looking for it. It was more of an aside. I can believe the same happened with this Charlie guy. It is perfectly reasonable to believe that like me this guy was probably in school at on the 11th November every year. Don't insult me because you can't empathise with other people.
If your figures about police injuries are correct. I apologise. I had watched it all night and i don't remember any news of injured policemen. I do remember however that the "rioters" as you call them were a small minority of people. People, who had been forced back into a kettle and then beaten with batons. It all began with the tactics of the police. They put them into a confined area and then used undue force. Some may have been trying to hurt the police. (I don't speak for them) but the police with the gear on were hitting young adults and children who were there for a peaceful protest.

Why do people who are short on intelligence here resort to name calling. I am not thick, by any stretch. I would appreciate if you didn't call me it. It only highlights your weakness to put your point across.

It was a mistake. A huge one. But still a mistake. Unless you want to believe that he intended to desecrate fallen soldiers that day? I don't.

You are right, though. Those that went there to cause trouble (not the students who planned a peaceful protest) should receive punishment. They intended to do harm and there is no excuse.

Can soon put an end to all this.Get the water cannons out.Apparently listening to the radio today they cost 1 million each + the water is very cold which in this weather being soaking wet would feelike your in the Arctic.Not many would hang around then.Only problem would be that the peaceful demonstrators would get wet.Mind you some of these students wouldn't mind a free bath i bet

Radio 2. Everuone has right to voice their opinion. Its called freedom of speech,but when some upper class moron.Causes the outrage he has then he must take responsibility. But he will get a slap on the wrists,do you think if he was a lower class chav.He would get the same.

It all began with the protesters ripping up the metal barriers and trying to ram them into the police at head height,
that was the first flare up. Did you not see this? the police stood their ground and took this abuse for quite a considerable amount of time, when the police did advance they were using shields to push the rioters back, even though some of the protesters were trying to decapitate the police. Seriously jd what would expect the police to do stand there and take it like a punch bag?

As for Charlie boy, his step dads band recorded an album about the loss of life in war and the effect it had on those left behind, I'm sure charlie would of listened to it at some point, I don't believe for one minute he didn't know what he was doing, he was acting the big anarchist in front of his mates swinging on the union flag!

Unfortunately for charlie somebody took his picture, silly little rich boy.

Brutum, out of interest did you support the Police during the Miners' Strike? I would be interested to hear of your comments surrounding the 'The Battle of Orgreave'. Made the student rally look like handbags.

PS: Your user name tickles me. According to a common definition it refers to an empty threat or charge, or a void judgment which is in legal effect no judgment at all. I found that funny. Then again I was a student once before I started paying tax again.

But not on Rememberance Sunday...

What have students ever done for us, like? Glad I'm not paying for any of this.

Cambridge Nobel Prize Winnners.
Lord Rayleigh Trinity Phy 1904 Discovered Argon
JJ Thomson Trinity Phy 1906 Investigated the electrical conductivity of gases
Ernest Rutherford Trinity Che 1908 Atomic structure and radioactivity
William Bragg Trinity Phy 1915 Analysed crystal structure using X-rays
Lawrence Bragg Trinity Phy 1915 Analysed crystal structure using X-rays
Charles Barkla Trinity Phy 1917 Discovered the characteristics of X-radiation
Niels Bohr Trinity Phy 1922 Investigated atomic structure and radiation
Francis Aston Trinity Che 1922 Work on mass spectroscopy and the `whole number rule'
Archibald Hill Trinity Med 1922 Heat production in the muscles
Austen Chamberlain Trinity Pea 1925 Work on the Locarno Pact, 1925
Charles Wilson Sidney Sussex Phy 1927 Invented the cloud chamber
Arthur Holly Compton - Phy 1927 Discovered wavelength change in diffused X-rays
Owen Richardson Trinity Phy 1928 Richardson's Law of electron emission of hot metals
Frederick Hopkins Trinity/ Emmanuel Med 1929 Discovered growth stimulating vitamins
Lord Adrian Trinity Med 1932 The function of neurons
Charles Sherrington Caius Med 1932 The function of neurons
Paul Dirac St John's Phy 1933 Quantum mechanics
James Chadwick Caius Phy 1935 Discovered the neutron
Henry Dale Trinity Med 1936 The chemical transmission of nerve impulses
George Thomson Trinity Phy 1937 Interference in crystals irradiated by electrons
Albert Szent-Gyorgyi Fitzwilliam Med 1937 Combustion in biology
Ernst Chain Fitzwilliam Med 1945 Discovery of penicillin
Howard Florey Caius Med 1945 Discovery of penicillin
Edward Appleton St John's Phy 1947 Discovered the Appleton Layer
Patrick Blackett Magdalene/ King's Phy 1948 Nuclear physics and cosmic radiation
Bertrand Russell Trinity Lit 1950 A History of Western Philosophy, 1945
Cecil Powell Sidney Sussex Phy 1950 Photography of nuclear processes
John Cockcroft St John's/ Churchill Phy 1951 Used accelerated particles to study atomic nuclei
Ernest Walton Trinity Phy 1951 Used accelerated particles to study atomic nuclei
Richard Synge Trinity Che 1952 Developed partition chromatography
Archer Martin Peterhouse Che 1952 Developed partition chromatography
Hans Krebs - Med 1953 Discovered the citric acid cycle
Max Born - Phy 1954 Fundamental research into quantum mechanics
Alexander Todd Christs Che 1957 Work on nucleotides
Frederick Sanger St John's Che 1958 Structure of the insulin molecule
Philip Noel-Baker King's Pea 1959 Work towards global disarmament
John Kendrew Trinity Che 1962 Determined the structure of haemoproteins
Max Perutz Peterhouse Che 1962 Determined the structure of haemoproteins
Francis Crick Caius/ Churchill Med 1962 Structure of DNA
James Watson Clare Med 1962 Structure of DNA
Maurice Wilkins St John's Med 1962 Structure of DNA
Alan Hodgkin Trinity Med 1963 Transmission of nerve impulses along a nerve fibre
Andrew Huxley Trinity Med 1963 Transmission of nerve impulses along a nerve fibre
Dorothy Hodgkin Newnham/ Girton Che 1964 Structure of compounds used in fighting anaemia
Ronald Norrish Emmanuel Che 1967 Study of fast chemical reactions
George Porter Emmanuel Che 1967 Study of fast chemical reactions
Rodney Porter Pembroke Med 1972 Chemical structure of antibodies
John Hicks Caius Eco 1972 Equilibrium theory
Brian Josephson Trinity Phy 1973 Tunneling in superconductors and semiconductors
Patrick White King's Lit 1973 For an epic and psychological narrative art which has introduced a new continent into literature
Martin Ryle Trinity Phy 1974 For the invention of aperture synthesis
Antony Hewish Caius/ Churchill Phy 1974 For the discovery of pulsars
Nevill Mott Caius/ St John's Phy 1977 Behaviour of electrons in magnetic solids
Philip Anderson Churchill Phy 1977 Behaviour of electrons in magnetic solids
James Meade Trinity Eco 1977 Contributed to the theory of international trade
Pyotr Kapitsa Trinity Phy 1978 Invented the helium liquefier
Peter Mitchell Jesus Che 1978 Energy transfer processes in biological systems
Abdus Salam St John's Phy 1979 Unification of electromagnetic and weak particle interactions
Steven Weinberg - Phy 1979 Unification of electromagnetic and weak particle interactions
Allan Cormack St John's Med 1979 Development of CAT scans
Walter Gilbert Trinity Che 1980 Developed the theory of nucleotide links in nucleic acids
Frederick Sanger St John's Che 1980 Developed the theory of nucleotide links in nucleic acids
Aaron Klug Trinity Che 1982 Determined the structure of biologically active substances
Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Trinity Phy 1983 The evolution and devolution of stars
William Fowler Pembroke Phy 1983 The evolution and devolution of stars
Gerard Debreu Churchill Eco 1983 Reformulation of the theory of general equilibrium
Richard Stone Caius Eco 1984 Developing a national income accounting system
Cesar Milstein Fitzwilliam Med 1984 Developed a technique for producing monoclonal antibodies
Georges Kohler - Med 1984 Developed a technique for producing monoclonal antibodies
Norman Ramsey Clare Phy 1989 Developing the separated field method
James Mirrlees Trinity Eco 1996 Studied behaviour in the absence of complete information
John Walker Sidney Sussex Che 1997 Studied how a spinning enzyme creates the molecule that powers cells in muscles
Amartya Sen Trinity Eco 1998 For his contributions to welfare economics
John Pople Trinity Che 1998 For his development of computational methods in quantum chemistry
Alan McDiarmid Sidney Sussex Che 2000 For the discovery and development of conductive polymers
Paul Greengard ? Med 2000 For discoveries concerning signal transduction in the nervous system
Tim Hunt Clare Med 2001 For discoveries of key regulators of the cell cycle
Joseph Stiglitz Caius Eco 2001 For analyses of markets with asymmetric information
John Sulston Pembroke Med 2002 For discoveries concerning genetic regulation of organ development and programmed cell death
Sydney Brenner King's Med 2002 For discoveries concerning genetic regulation of organ development and programmed cell death
Richard Schrock - Che 2005 For the development of the metathesis method in organic synthesis
Martin Evans Christ's Med 2007 For discoveries of principles for introducing specific gene modifications in mice
Roger Tsien Churchill Che 2008 For increasing understanding of the protein GFP
Elizabeth Blackburn Darwin Med 2009 For the discovery of how chromosomes are protected by telomeres and the enzyme telomerase
Venkatraman Ramakrishnan Trinity Che 2009 For studies of the structure and function of the ribosome

Orgreave was a disgrace, that is what heavy handed policing is jd, the miners were only trying to protect their livelihoods unfortunately the miners were led by fool that refused to hold a ballot. The police didn't come out of it with any credit but at the same time neither did scargill. Lions led by donkeys

I've been on strike and stood on a picket line, our union membership voted for this, I wouldn't like to of been told that I was going on strike without me having my vote. That is my view hope it doesn't offend.

Glad the name tickles you, it's tickles me.

Hey I'm not offended. I recognise this as a trite messageboard where nothing of note occurs.

However, humour me, such that I can understand your position - is it OK (by you) to physically attack Policemen and Policewomen or not in your view? Whichever view we must recognise it is never Legal.

PS: What happens if the Policeman (Policewoman) used to be a student? Or a miner for that matter.

Complex.

What worries me is the fact that a chap 21 years old has had a supposed top notch education, is a few years into his Cambridge studies. Studying HISTORY, and he doesn't reconize the cenotaph!!