Just to clear thing up, he isn't bad for the club but if he ran the club better he would be great for the club.
By me saying the sooner he goes the better im meaning he isn't running the club as well as he should be and were not really making any progress.

The thing about SJM is that he's made his money in the business of Music promotion, which I'd assume requires a bit of boot licking, on both parties.

I doubt many Promoters would be too over bearing when dealing with bands, as they could probably go and find someone else who would book them for a show. Similarly, I don't see too many bands getting too uppy with their promoter, certainly none with the reputation of SJM Concerts, as they could easily get AN Other band to sell out the proposed venue.

Where this leaves us is with a very pally-pally Majority shareholder. It was never uncommon to see him attend public functions with Paul Cullen (They were both sat in the VIP lounge together at the Arctic Monkeys gig at Old Trafford in 2007, for example), nor is it uncommon to hear of his genoristy and general nice-ness towards his associates.
IMO, this can create problems, as when it comes to making very important business decisions, he leaves himself with the task of making them at the expense of people who have become friends. When it came down to it, I felt Cullen had been Head Coach for too long and I genuinely believe that had their relationship not been as cosy as it was, Cullen would've been removed from the position of Head Coach sooner than he was.

The arguement made before about him being 'a fan with loads of money' to some extent is true. That doesn't neccersarily make him right or wrong for the job, what we can judge that upon is his decision making whilst in his position of power, which for the main part has let him down IMO.
As for the arguement that he saved the club; I certainly don't recall the bailifs banging down the door at the time of his appointment. Though, was he already on the board for a while before becoming majority shareholder, or did he come in from 'the outside'? I genuinely can't recall.

One final point, to the poster (I forget who it was) who said that Doug Hoyle single handedly secured the HJ Stadium needs to have a long hard look at themselves in the mirror and show a bit of respect to the many, many people who helped that campaign, not least Peter Deakin.

I wish people would read post correctly, can you please tell me were it says "=blackSingle Handedly"

And when mark_m asked to hear how Hoyle Single Handedly got the stadium, you replied with 'PM Sent'.

Yes but i never used the words single handedly in any of my post's, Mark M used that terminology not me, you also don't know what was in the PM and im telling you again that i didn't use single handedly in that either.

Please read properly before going of on one.

I've never really understood the whole 'sack the board' mentality. I agree that they have made some bad decisions, but it is up to them to fix them.
We don't really know what kind of input they have on a daily basis, people say that Moran makes the signings, yet we don't actually know how it works. Does the manager tell Moran who he wants, and then he goes and gets them? Or is it more like Lindsy used to be at Wigan? We don't really know.
Similarly, Hoyle gets a lot of stick, and again, we don't really know what he does.

It is clear that they have made a bad selection with Lowes, and they are now in a difficult position, especially if the rumours of a new coach next year are true.

I think there was a general opinion that Lowes wasn't the right man for the job, but did anybody think things would really be this bad, because I certainly didn't?

I don't know what they can do to rescue this season, but if they do have Tony Smith signed up for next year, then I will be very happy, and it will explain some of the decisions they have made.
If Smith isn't signed up, then we are in a very bad position, and we need to get a new long term manager in asap.

I'm not sure Moran leaving needs to be part of any remedail action.

So 'Hoyle got us the stadium, nobody else' isn't the same as saying that 'Hoyle got us the stadium single Handedly'?

No it isn't

There were other people involved of course but the people who were involved with the club made no difference what so ever in getting the stadium passed by the planners.

That was down to Hoyle and a few of his mates.

So what you originally said was wrong?

No because i was answering Mark M response about the fans getting the ground, i said nobody else, meaning at the club.

Who were Hoyle's mates?

Council and Government mates.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Deakin"After securing the community Stadium, he left[/url

I know Wikipedia isn't the most reliable of sources all the time, but it was the top results of a Google search.

Wikipedia now's about as much as you do on this subject and by the sounds of it that isn't much.

You mean he had so much influence over it the application it went to the risk and lottery of PUBLIC ENQUIRY?

Lord Hoyle steered the process but I guarantee that if the supporters had not shown so much will and demand for the stadium IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PASSED BECAUSE IT WAS AGAINST THE PLANNING LEGISLATION THAT WAS THEN IN PLACE.

If I could find the report I would quote the relevant points verbatim.

I have explained this to you before via PM, check your inbox.

That is not an explanation just a far fetched suggestion. You have been watching too much TV.

I still despair at the vast majority written i our forums, we make ourselves the laughing stock of super league with our reactions not what the club does.

This is still after 3 defeats this year against 3 very good and practically error free teams in their performances against us.

We're one of the best run super league teams with everything that we do. There is a fine line between winning and loosing and we just need to find the difference. People talk about bring in this coach or that coach, it's not as simple as pick a name and give him the job. Looking at our fans, there are probably not alot of coaches that would want the job.

Only one thing needs to change at Warrington and thats the culture that has been here for years. We all know what it is. Even karl Harrison comments on it in todays League weekly.

Don't boo the coach or the players or Moran and don't hope for us to get beat this week as some of you have. People sing wire till I die and then boo certain players or coaches when things don't go our way. The people hat make desicions about playing staff or coaching staff will make changes whether we want it or not and will do it as appropriate. We should be there to support the club through thick or thin and back the people who have to make the descions rather than continually slate them.

No i think your somewhat blinded by the primrose and blue.

I can picture it now; Doug yanks the receiver off the base. 'Get me Prescott, NOW!'

DL: 'John, it's Doug, this calling in of the application for the superstore and stadium, it needs letting through right now'

JP: 'Doug who?' phone goes down.

Indeed. Good point well made.

Spot on.

Can't believe that our fans have now taken to blaming Moran. Who next? Wolfie?

He was targeted last week for his poor French.

Haha, missed that one.

Wakefield 48- 22 Warrington.

James Lowes making comments like "We contained them", "I'm really positive about our performance", "Defensively we did well", "We were enthusiastic for 80 mins" and "I'm looking forward to next week".

That is what make this club a laughing stock.