and we go and win a trophy.

no offence mate but like you said he only got to the semi final he didnt win any finals and the year he went we go n win the challenge haha !

ive just got summet id like to say ... cheer up martin gleeson oh what can it mean coz we all went to wembely and u wernt in the team !!!

And now in English please.

Gleeson signed for Warrington as a punishment and never ever wanted to be there. Once Saints told him he wasn't wanted he always wanted to go to Wigan.

Damn fool.

He must be the most miserable bloke we've had in our team. Never ever cracked a smile. I bet he really brightens up the Wigan sheds with his sharp wit and jovial manner.

Plays a lot of acoustic Daniel Merriweather and Michael Buble to cheer himself up, so I hear...

what a punishment, went from not getting paid at Saints to having a big wage increase at Wire, who says crime doesn't pay

It's a bit of a silly thread.. like sally said.. how can he be a Judas when we chose to get rid of him.

Judas behaviour is what Myler did to salford.....

Big Gleese probably took a great amount of heart from winning last night, in his book it probably went some way to erasing the CC semi defeat last year and ultimately missing out on the CC final.

Cup Semi or Woody's benefit? hmmmmmm

Its all about cash at the end of the day. If you was in a job and getting say £6 and hour and was offerd the same job but for £8 and hour.. what would you do?.. I know what id do

We may have lost but that pass to no-one made the game worth going to!!!

I don't get the Glees bashing. He is a reasonably talented RL player who never reached his potential because he unfortunately cannot be professional enough off field and lacks the intellect and drive to realise his short comings. He used to play for us, we got rid of him to Wigan where, no doubt, he will continue in the same vein until he is forgotton as a journeyman. I feel more sorry for his loss than the loss of him.

I'm with you.

I was delighted when we signed him, I enjoyed watching him, and I was delighted when he left.

That's Gleese.

He represented a sign we were 'on the up' when we got him. He represented an even bigger sign we might actually make it up when Smith got rid.

We were good for him, he was good for us.

I'm glad you share the lament. Never has "strong in'th arm weak in'th head" been more appropriate.

A hypothetical tongue-in-cheek situation.

The new coach of a football team calls all the players together shortly after his arrival. Lets call this man Rony Miff ( a good porn name if ever I heard one).He asks anyone who doesnt want to be the club to raise their hand. One hand in the room is raised. Lets say this players name was Smartin Leeson ( a relative of Nick the banker who brought down Barings Bank). Should Rony keep this player or should he allow Smartin to leave getting the possible deal for his club in the process. In this hypothetical situation a player called Snitchie actually joined Ronys club and went on to be an asset to the club

Alls well that ends well..

Don't see Glees as a Judas at all. He plays for Wigan now.
No different from any of us changing jobs.

We got rid of him, and a smart move too by TS at the time.

We got Richie Mathers and a reported 200K didn't we?

Had we waited 6 months we wouldn't have got any money at all.

It's a tough one that, I wouldn't have liked to have been Smith or Moranovich making that call.

Wait 6 months to be shut of Gleeson or get £200,000 and be stuck with Richie Mathers. I really couldn't make that decision.

Don't get too hung up on Mathers. He is merely a short term custodian of the fullback role.

Funny you should say that....my girlfriend sometimes takes the dog to 'Greensheilds glorious grooming emporium' and ..

I think i may have said to much already....

Well he has 25 Test caps, a Super League Grand Final winner ring and a Challenge Cup winners medal so for someone reasonably talented, he's done alright.

He's very talented but will no doubt look back on his career and know that he should have won a lot more than he did. Saints wouldn't have got rid of him if he behaved himself and he'd have a lot more medals if he stayed there.

From a Warrington point of view I'm also in the "happy when we signed him and happy when we got rid of him" camp so I've got no lingering feelings towards him either way. He didn't want to play for us, he moved on, and we've already been infinitely more successful in terms of silverware since he left than we were when he was with us. Long may that continue but it's got nothing to do with Martin Gleeson.

What about when Myler left Widnes?

These guys are pro sportsmen and talking about 'Judas' is puerile. They each have ten/twelve years to maximise their earnings and on-field success, so should never be attacked for moving clubs.

100k was the reported figure and everybody got what they wanted out of the deal.

Happy days.