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Pieman if you haven't been on this board much, I was taking the mick out of some of the Wire fans on here who said Richards shouldn't have been in the running for the award because he wasn't a forward and only forwards should be considered for an award like Man of Steel (obviously the agenda behind this was that Morley or Westwood should have been MoS, I doubt they would have been protesting if Chris Hicks was shortlisted)
Given what our fans generally think of Fielden and Coley I was inviting them to agree with me that one of them would have been a worthy winner.
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It's 'player of the season' not 'man of steel'.... If Ryan atkins wins it next year I won't change my opinion on the naming convention.
'man of steel' indicates the player with the most steel... And to say hodgson has more steel than graham or Morley is inncorrect in my opinion.
<folds arms>
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"It's 'player of the season' not 'man of steel'.... If Ryan atkins wins it next year I won't change my opinion on the naming convention.
'man of steel' indicates the player with the most steel... And to say hodgson has more steel than graham or Morley is inncorrect in my opinion.
<folds arms>'"
I agree. If I had a slip of paper in front of me that asked me to vote for a Player of the Season, I would vote differently than if it said Man of Steel.
However, regardless of the definition Pat has had a great season and deserved a pat on the back.
Third time lucky for our Moz next year  |
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I think there should be an overhaul in the way in which the awards are done.... they can dress them up with 'tough man' titles if they want..... I would have the following categories
Player of the year
Forward of the year
Back of the year
Young player of the year
Young forward of the year
Young back of the year
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| Quote ="NCB"I agree. If I had a slip of paper in front of me that asked me to vote for a Player of the Season, I would vote differently than if it said Man of Steel.
However, regardless of the definition Pat has had a great season and deserved a pat on the back.
Third time lucky for our Moz next year
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The reason that it's Man of Steel is that when it first started in the seventies it was sponsored by a steel company. The name stayed after the sponsorship ended. |
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| Quote ="Teessidewire"The reason that it's Man of Steel is that when it first started in the seventies it was sponsored by a steel company. The name stayed after the sponsorship ended.'"
really?
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or get a new sponsor
like :
The Durex "extra safe" hands award.
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| Quote ="jdrocket"or get a new sponsor
like :
The Durex "extra safe" hands award.'"
bl00dy 'ell, Mathers |
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"It's 'player of the season' not 'man of steel'.... If Ryan atkins wins it next year I won't change my opinion on the naming convention.
'man of steel' indicates the player with the most steel... And to say hodgson has more steel than graham or Morley is inncorrect in my opinion.
<folds arms>'"
No it doesn't the man of steel award goes to the person who is judged to have made the biggest impact on the season. Not 'best player award' at all. |
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| Quote ="Wire In The Final"No it doesn't the man of steel award goes to the person who is judged to have made the biggest impact on the season. Not 'best player award' at all.'"
ok... so what's the difference?
and when is the player of the season announced then? |
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| Quote ="Wire In The Final"No it doesn't the man of steel award goes to the person who is judged to have made the biggest impact on the season. Not 'best player award' at all.'"
There used to be Players player of the season, and Man of Steel which was voted for by journalists.
After the Robygate incident they changed the MoS to effectively players player of the season.
I agree it is named wrong, they should just call it what it is, players player. But I would imagine it's another thing for Sky to promote as it sounds better, just liked having Warriors and Wolves. |
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so again... what's the difference between 'player deemed to have made the biggest impact on the season' and the 'player of the season'
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And again you're wrong, it's been man of Steel long before Sky came along. So you should be praising the RFL for standing up to the big bad man murdoch and his 'Americanisms', despite being Australian.'"
I didn't say that it was a Sky idea, I said that even though the award effectively changed from MoS to players player of the year they kept the name as its more promotable.
When the players vote do you think they say "which player has been the best" or "which player has had the biggest impact"
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| Quote ="inside_man"I didn't say that it was a Sky idea, I said that even though the award effectively changed from MoS to players player of the year they kept the name as its more promotable.
When the players vote do you think they say "which player has been the best" or "which player has had the biggest impact"
Surely they are the same?!'"
of course its the same thing.... someone else seems to think its a totally different thing though.
Quote ="Wire In The Final"No it doesn't the man of steel award goes to the person who is judged to have made the biggest impact on the season. Not 'best player award' at all.'"
see its not the best player award at all.... silly me. |
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say next season salford play wigan in the second game... then vinnie anderson goes onto break the legs (legally of course) of the tomkins brothers, finch, richards, gleeson and lima... all these players then miss the rest of the season... wigan then go onto finish 9th and miss out on the playoffs.....
vinnie's tackling would have decimated wigans team leaving the team that had previously finished 1st nowhere......so would vinnie anderson win MOS for having the biggest impact on the season? or would it go to the best player?
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"say next season salford play wigan in the second game... then vinnie anderson goes onto break the legs (legally of course) of the tomkins brothers, finch, richards, gleeson and lima... all these players then miss the rest of the season... wigan then go onto finish 9th and miss out on the playoffs.....
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| Quote ="inside_man"I bet thats a regular dream of yours isn't it
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not really but it proves my point.
although i dare say i would probably watch that game a few times  |
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"not really but it proves my point.
although i dare say i would probably watch that game a few times
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So would I, never be able to believe Anderson could catch Tomkins otherwise. |
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"
'man of steel' indicates the player with the most steel... And to say hodgson has more steel than graham or Morley is inncorrect in my opinion.
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I wouldn't say there was any difference in hardness between Hodgson and those two.
When he was in the NRL he was always getting the tag "toughest player in league", I can remember that being said on stuff like the Footy Show for years, Benji Marshall said it when Hodgson left the Tigers. Before he came to England if someone had said to me who is Brett Hodgson, the first phrase that would come to mind was toughest player in the NRL.... |
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"I wouldn't say there was any difference in hardness between Hodgson and those two.
When he was in the NRL he was always getting the tag "toughest player in league", I can remember that being said on stuff like the Footy Show for years, Benji Marshall said it when Hodgson left the Tigers. Before he came to England if someone had said to me who is Brett Hodgson, the first phrase that would come to mind was toughest player in the NRL....'"
ok fair enough... maybe he was a bad example... ok how about pat rich.....
actually forget it. |
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"I can remember that being said on stuff like the Footy Show for years, Benji Marshall said it when Hodgson left the Tigers. '"
You are aware that those two are best mates? |
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| Quote ="74'"You are aware that those two are best mates?
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I'm sure if you asked them at Pat they'd give quite glowing references as well! lol. |
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| Quote ="inside_man"I'm sure if you asked them at Pat they'd give quite glowing references as well! lol.'"
Yeah. Two Ex Tigers back to back MOS awards. |
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