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| Quote ="rubber duckie"What is ever present Hughes going to have to do to get a break. He was pretty decent vs Leeds.
If a bloke gets a knocking at least let him be deserving of it.'"
Slowing down because he lazily assumed Ratchford would tackle Hall good enough?
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"Slowing down because he lazily assumed Ratchford would tackle Hall good enough?'"
Not because he had the nouce to know he wouldn't catch the current England international winger then?
Possibly to reserve energy that might help snatch a win late on??
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Not because he had the nouce to know he wouldn't catch the current England international winger then?
Possibly to reserve energy that might help snatch a win late on??'"
But he pretty much did catch him even with the hesitation, so NO his 'nounce' isn't an excuse. He most likely would have caught him without that error of lazy judgement. If he knew he wouldn't catch him and was saving energy why did he bust a gut to get back after Ratchford missed?
You honestly think Hughes thought in that split second was about "saving energy".....give over. Accept he slipped up and he could've done better.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"But he pretty much did catch him even with the hesitation, so NO his 'nounce' isn't an excuse. He most likely would have caught him without that error of lazy judgement. If he knew he wouldn't catch him and was saving energy why did he bust a gut to get back after Ratchford missed?
You honestly think Hughes thought in that split second was about "saving energy".....give over. Accept he slipped up and he could've done better.'"
You're right it was all hughes' fault. Definitely not ratchford. Why aren't you saying if ratchford had managed to just slow hall down a bit (never mind attempt a tackle) hughes would have caught him? Ratchford made a howler, Thursday definitely wasn't his one of his best, hughes was fairly solid, he has limitations but I think there is a lot more that can come from him.
My biggest gripe with hughes last season was that when he got the ball you knew it was a tackle and move over, he just wouldn't release it. Sort that out and we have 2 very good second rows. We need to learn to use our assets better, Roberts will improve and the team will learn to use BMM and he will learn to time his runs. It wasn't a great start but there is a long way to go yet, our backs are a bit weak but we can shuffle a bit hopefully.
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| Quote ="CW8"You're right it was all hughes' fault. Definitely not ratchford. Why aren't you saying if ratchford had managed to just slow hall down a bit (never mind attempt a tackle) hughes would have caught him? Ratchford made a howler,'"
Oh without doubt Ratchford is most to blame but those praising Hughes might want to watch it back before praising his chase back. He assumed Ratchford would get the job done and that's what stopped him eventually catching Hall.
Contrast Atkins' dive no try. Yes all the focus has been on his error of judgment but you watch the reply back of it and see how Parcell goes AROUND BMM after he's passed the ball to get to Atkins.
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| Shouldn't you be more concerned about Hall being chased down by a 2nd row?
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| Here's pessimism for you and it won't be far off either
I said last year we'd struggle to win any of the first 6 games and I'm going to go one better played 7 , lost 7 how's that for a call?
It will take along time to gel that lot ,if that's possible
Another bad season and it's bye bye our top players
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| Quote ="silvertail-wolf"Here's pessimism for you and it won't be far off either
I said last year we'd struggle to win any of the first 6 games and I'm going to go one better played 7 , lost 7 how's that for a call?
It will take along time to gel that lot ,if that's possible
Another bad season and it's bye bye our top players'"
Have you ever considered a career as a motivational speaker? If you'd have been around 2000 years ago Jesus would probably have binned off this son of god stuff as too much effort, and got a job as a donkey salesman.
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| Quote ="silvertail-wolf"Here's pessimism for you and it won't be far off either
I said last year we'd struggle to win any of the first 6 games and I'm going to go one better played 7 , lost 7 how's that for a call?
It will take along time to gel that lot ,if that's possible
Another bad season and it's bye bye our top players'"
Is this one of those "if I'm wrong I'm happy, and if I'm right I'm a prophet" style posts?
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| To be fair it is the pessimism thread.
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| It definitely fits the bill.
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| Quote ="Wires71"To be fair it is the pessimism thread.'"
Well said
It's my opinion as is everyone's is on this site so wind your necks in....
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| ....shouldn't we be winding them out though?
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| Quote ="silvertail-wolf"Well said
It's my opinion as is everyone's is on this site so wind your necks in....'"
I've never known why people get so het up when they find they don't agree with a viewpoint. They seem to want to stifle it, ridicule, insult and then ban users and that is what causes the division amongst us all. I am hoping that in 2018 there can be more harmony and tolerance on here.
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| I was looking forward to watching you beat Widnes in a couple of weeks ... talking of pessimism ... Widnes 40 Catalans 12.
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| Not sure why there is an issue? Wire fans were notoriously pessimistic pre TS and then at the end of his reign, but predicting 7 losses is quite a leap. Hence my question.
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| We'll win our next two games IMO and if so I'd have took 2/3 beforehand.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"We'll win our next two games IMO and if so I'd have took 2/3 beforehand.'"
I hope you're right.
Then we play Wigan at home in game 4, with Wigan only having had a 6 day turnaround from playing South Sydney in Aus...
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| ....that won't hinder the Pies.
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They are pro bank holiday double games. Only TS voiced anti short turnarounds.
If we beat the Pies Sean Wane won't use it as an excuse.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"....that won't hinder the Pies.
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They are pro bank holiday double games. Only TS voiced anti short turnarounds.
If we beat the Pies Sean Wane won't use it as an excuse.'"
Agreed, Wigan look at fixture list and plan their squads accordingly there will be games some fringe players will be earmarked to play in and so on!! It's almost like clubs only get their next fixture once they've played a game and a complete surprise when and where it be and not given a list of fixtures for the year before a ball has been passed!!
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| How they approach the game or consider the game is pretty irrelevant to us.
What can't be disputed surely is that they will be affected by playing what is likely to be a high intensity game 12,000 miles away, then having at least two days prep of their 6 day turnaround taken up with travel and jet lag?
If they are managing their squad over the two games surely that means they will have their big players playing the week before, and less so against us?
It by no means guarantees a result for us, and I'm in no way suggesting it will be an easy fixture, but to say it wont affect them cant be right surely?
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| Quote ="Dezzies_right_hook" It's almost like clubs only get their next fixture once they've played a game and a complete surprise when and where it be and not given a list of fixtures for the year before a ball has been passed!!'"
Don't say that too loudly or the RFL may introduce that for 2019.
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| Quote ="Alffi_7"How they approach the game or consider the game is pretty irrelevant to us.
What can't be disputed surely is that they will be affected by playing what is likely to be a high intensity game 12,000 miles away, then having at least two days prep of their 6 day turnaround taken up with travel and jet lag?
If they are managing their squad over the two games surely that means they will have their big players playing the week before, and less so against us?
It by no means guarantees a result for us, and I'm in no way suggesting it will be an easy fixture, but to say it wont affect them cant be right surely?'"
I didn't say it wouldn't affect them....I said it wouldn't hinder them or use it as an excuse.
Pies mentality is different to TS of the past...TS sees a wall he'll erect scaffolding to get over it...Pies is to run threw with a digger.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"I didn't say it wouldn't affect them....I said it wouldn't hinder them or use it as an excuse.
Pies mentality is different to TS of the past...TS sees a wall he'll erect scaffolding to get over it...Pies is to run threw with a digger.'"
What does that last paragraph mean? Please keep your explanation simple as opposed to one of your even more oblique references.
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| I think he is remarking on the fact that Tony Smith would always get his complaints and excuses in early when disguising his apparent inability to win both Easter games, despite the fact that other teams manage it.
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