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| Quote ="Les Norton"Comments made by a Lawyer, with far more understanding of the legal system and what 'proof' or 'to prove' actually means than you do it seems.'"
dress it up how you like. Everyone knows what he said, including you.
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| Quote ="Les Norton"Comments made by a Lawyer, with far more understanding of the legal system and what 'proof' or 'to prove' actually means than you do it seems.'"
I am pretty sure that the RFL will have the same powers that the FA had with the Suarez/Terry cases, in fact this is even more concrete as there is video evidence with sound!
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This is in all but name a 1 match ban.
Leeds play Leigh on Friday at Leeds so I suspect Ablett would have been rested.
In effect Ablett will miss one meaningful game which again is at home to the Giants.
Super Ben gets 3 games and the Leeds player gets one game, well done Red Hall (which as we all know is in Leeds)
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This is in all but name a 1 match ban.
Leeds play Leigh on Friday at Leeds so I suspect Ablett would have been rested.
In effect Ablett will miss one meaningful game which again is at home to the Giants.
Super Ben gets 3 games and the Leeds player gets one game, well done Red Hall (which as we all know is in Leeds)
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| Quote ="CommanderShepard"Jesus wept, you're really clutching at straws with that example, aren't you Sarge!
You've obviously searched for "homophobes in RL" on google, found this particular piece about a U20 match in Australia, that had zero coverage over here and yet you try to use it as an example. There is absolutely no point whatsoever to your post.
Good effort though. You can keep condoning homophobic comments made by one of your players all you want, along with your other Leeds bretheren, but the crux of the matter is that there is evidence to show what he said and who he said it to and a random story that the majority of people in the country wouldn't have even known about won't change that one bit.'"
First I have never once condoned Homophobic behavior. Find where I have. You are making up lies and I'm calling you out on it. Second, I live on the central coast in Australia and Im a west tigers fan I didn't google it. Third, The game I quoted with the NRL u20's state of origin which is live on TV, NRL players who are too good for SL play in it.
so my point which has nothing to do with supporting gay slurs is.... That this was a big RL story in the biggest rugby league comp. it was easy to access on any internet sports news feed across the globe. People didn't spot it? the Beeb didn't give a $hit, nor did the supposed well informed RL fans usual suspects. The point is it happened 2 weeks ago, I can't believe people so impassioned and disgusted by Hardaker missed the Moses saga.
Now I have shown you the path! Let's see more 10 page threads and emails to the NRL asking for another daft young kid to be band for as long as possible.
But you won't cos most of you don't really give a $hit about gay rights. That's what stinks. You just wanna see a rival player band. If it was Tomkins last year you could X the hysteria by 10.
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| I'm not sure Nick Freeman can get him off this one.
it'll be an indication of how strong the RFL is.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"First I have never once condoned Homophobic behavior. Find where I have. You are making up lies and I'm calling you out on it. Second, I live on the central coast in Australia and Im a west tigers fan I didn't google it. Third, The game I quoted with the NRL u20's state of origin which is live on TV, NRL players who are too good for SL play in it.'"
You live on the Central Coast in Australia? Well woop de do. As for the game, was it televised anywhere in the UK, or was it covered by a report in the UK by any media outlets? I don't think it would be, which still means the point you were trying to make was useless.
Quote ="sgtwilko"so my point which has nothing to do with supporting gay slurs is.... That this was a big RL story in the biggest rugby league comp. it was easy to access on any internet sports news feed across the globe. People didn't spot it? the Beeb didn't give a $hit, nor did the supposed well informed RL fans usual suspects. The point is it happened 2 weeks ago, I can't believe people so impassioned and disgusted by Hardaker missed the Moses saga.'"
It was a big RL story, in the biggest RL competition.....in Australia. Living there, you would have first hand access to watch it on news reports. Me personally, I don't trawl the internet actively looking for racist, homophobic actions that have been undertaken in sports around the globe. Again, your point is moot. If it wasn't reported on the likes of Sky Sports, or the BBC then a hell of a lot of people wouldn't have seen it, hence why there wasn't this massive outrage that you so desperately wanted at the time.
Quote ="sgtwilko"Now I have shown you the path! Let's see more 10 page threads and emails to the NRL asking for another daft young kid to be band for as long as possible.'"
Who's sent emails to the NRL? And the reason these threads are hitting 10 pages is because the Leeds fans are up in arms about the behaviour of other teams fans wanting to see justice for homophobic slurs, because the Leeds fans are defending him to the hilt and for every comment made by one person, there are 3 or 4 replies from Leeds fans calling said posters pathetic, backing Hardaker to the hilt and basically looking like a bunch of fools.
Quote ="sgtwilko"But you won't cos most of you don't really give a $hit about gay rights. That's what stinks. You just wanna see a rival player band.'"
Jeez, you call people out on the topic on the Leeds board for posting ridiculous statements, yet you post the above? Talk about hypocrisy. How do you know that people don't care about gay rights? How do you know that people on here don't have family members who are gay, close friends who are gay, work with people who are gay?
Yeah, I really want Hardaker banned because it's really going to have an effect on Warrington's season. Don't be a tool all your life, sunshine. He's a tremendous player, has plenty of skill and he's one of the shining lights of Super League, but he's had a past indescresion, he's made a homophobic slur, he needs to be made an example of. Doesn't matter what team he players for. If it was someone from my club, I'd be exactly the same.
Quote ="sgtwilko"If it was Tomkins last year you could X the hysteria by 10.'"
Jesus christ, talk about a dummy spit and a half. You are making yourself look absolutely pathetic.
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| Quote ="CommanderShepard"You live on the Central Coast in Australia? Well woop de do. As for the game, was it televised anywhere in the UK, or was it covered by a report in the UK by any media outlets? I don't think it would be, which still means the point you were trying to make was useless.
It was a big RL story, in the biggest RL competition.....in Australia. Living there, you would have first hand access to watch it on news reports. Me personally, I don't trawl the internet actively looking for racist, homophobic actions that have been undertaken in sports around the globe. Again, your point is moot. If it wasn't reported on the likes of Sky Sports, or the BBC then a hell of a lot of people wouldn't have seen it, hence why there wasn't this massive outrage that you so desperately wanted at the time.
Who's sent emails to the NRL? And the reason these threads are hitting 10 pages is because the Leeds fans are up in arms about the behaviour of other teams fans wanting to see justice for homophobic slurs, because the Leeds fans are defending him to the hilt and for every comment made by one person, there are 3 or 4 replies from Leeds fans calling said posters pathetic, backing Hardaker to the hilt and basically looking like a bunch of fools.
Jeez, you call people out on the topic on the Leeds board for posting ridiculous statements, yet you post the above? Talk about hypocrisy.
How do you know that people don't care about gay rights? How do you know that people on here don't have family members who are gay, close friends who are gay, work with people who are gay?
Yeah, I really want Hardaker banned because it's really going to have an effect on Warrington's season.
Don't be a tool all your life, sunshine. He made a homophobic slur, he needs to be made an example of. Doesn't matter what team he players for.
Jesus christ, talk about a dummy spit and a half. You are making yourself look absolutely pathetic.'"
My point is not moot. My point is on the money.
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| Quote ="ninearches"If you read my earlier post you saw that i suggested a sine die ban for abusing the ref .....but positive discrimination in society serves only to highlight what some people see as making some people different from others. An end to positive discrimination would allow people to blend in seamlessly, for instance when i fill a form in do i really want to see questions asking for my religion ,race, colour & sexual orientation ? It is all discrimination of some sort that i don't really want any part of.'"
You and gary numan are arguing from a perspective that sits everything and everyone as already equal, which they are not.
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| Quote ="Fatbelly"This is in all but name a 1 match ban.
Leeds play Leigh on Friday at Leeds so I suspect Ablett would have been rested.
In effect Ablett will miss one meaningful game which again is at home to the Giants.
Super Ben gets 3 games and the Leeds player gets one game, well done Red Hall (which as we all know is in Leeds)'"
In fairness they can't very well take into account the quality of the opposition when applying the ban.
Not had a chance to look at it - but from the descriptions on here I'd say 2 games seems fair.
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| Quote ="Les Norton"Comments made by a Lawyer, with far more understanding of the legal system and what 'proof' or 'to prove' actually means than you do it seems.'"
Whilst noting that judgement of disciplinary cases is (usually) made on "balance of probabilities" rather than "beyond reasonable doubt".
Hence, if by examination of different camera angles it shows Hardaker looking in the direction of Childs at the time the comment is made, it may be sufficient, perhaps further clarified (either way) by on/off field witnesses.
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| Quote ="Supervegan!"You and gary numan are arguing from a perspective that sits everything and everyone as already equal, which they are not.'"
I think it's fair to say we are in pretty enlightened times regarding gay & other perceived minorities ,the witch hunts of yesteryear are long gone & in many circles it is fashionable to be so inclined as it also is in so many tv programmes .
To be honest i am in a minority group but i would not be offended if someone said to me " You paid into a company pension ,you can't claim a penny in benefits, loser !". And that person would be right because me & many others like me have paid into company & private pensions & are being discriminated against by the government not just an individual.
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| "fashionable to be so inclined"???
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| finding this thread boring now.
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| Quote ="Supervegan!"You and gary numan are arguing from a perspective that sits everything and everyone as already equal, which they are not.'"
And the way to equalise everything is to treat people unequaly?
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| Blimey, it comes to something when Duckie is bored of a topic.....
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| Quote ="WireFanatic III"Blimey, it comes to something when Duckie is bored of a topic.....'" too right wire111
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"finding this thread boring now.'"
So am i ,kick it into touch.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"You are making up lies and I'm calling you out on it. '"
Just saw this.... Brilliant... he thinks he's in an episode of Columbo or something.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"Just saw this.... Brilliant... he thinks he's in an episode of Columbo or something.'"
Well spotted Morley's. Just read it again myself and thought, 'Are there any other types of lies other than the ones you make up?'
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"Just saw this.... Brilliant... he thinks he's in an episode of Columbo or something.'"
I broke down his last big post with my own, he didn't bother replying to 98% of it, the 2% that he did reply to was to simply say "my point is not moot" and THEN sends me a private message saying I was either a student or on the dole.
The guy seems to have a very blinkered view of things in life.
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| Quote ="Supervegan!"I think that Hardaker is going to be made an example of. The word that Hardaker used is undoubtedly a homophobic slur and he should be well advised to refrain from using it at all, not just while playing RL. He should also face a fine and a ban for abusing a match official.
That said: the word that Hardaker used is part of the common lexicon of insults* and is very much divorced from the actual meaning/sentiment when uttered by most. I do not think that (based purely on this evidence) that Hardaker is a homophobe; just ignorant to what could be considered offensive the the homosexual community.
He is guilty of being ignorant and insensitive, but the idea that there needs to be a 'homophobia enquiry' is, to me, a asinine.
*Something which is a much deeper social issue and isn't going to be resolved either in society or RL by an RFL enquiry.'"
Your post is a good one, and I wouldn't argue with the message too much at all.
The only bit incorrect as far as I am concerned is the point that the word used is offensive to the homosexual community. It isn't. In fact it is commonly used by them. And indeed a young gentleman who works for me and is openly homosexual, was quite clear to me when I asked him, that the wording used would be more offensive to a none homosexual as it is implying he is, and people are sensitive to that.
The people offended by it is the PC people amongst us, who want to speak on behalf of the homosexual community.
Is it a homophobic slur? possibly is in the general terms as decided by the Politically Correct, but as you said more used in ignorance than anything else on this occasion.
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Hardaker has now issued an apology to Monas, with James Child also receiving an apology.
www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/spo ... _Monaghan/
Looks as though the investigation must be finished as it says in the Guardian article that he couldn't say anything while the case was ongoing. Nothing on the RFL website as yet so we'll have to see what he gets in terms of any punishment.
Interesting that Monas gets called a week after saying he's staying in England as his fiancee is English so he's keen to stay here for a while.
Whilst it isn't the nicest thing that RL has been involved in, it's not world ending. An apology has been issued, the RFL should state what punishment it deems suitable and we should just move on and concentrate on winning games.
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Hardaker has now issued an apology to Monas, with James Child also receiving an apology.
www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/spo ... _Monaghan/
Looks as though the investigation must be finished as it says in the Guardian article that he couldn't say anything while the case was ongoing. Nothing on the RFL website as yet so we'll have to see what he gets in terms of any punishment.
Interesting that Monas gets called a week after saying he's staying in England as his fiancee is English so he's keen to stay here for a while.
Whilst it isn't the nicest thing that RL has been involved in, it's not world ending. An apology has been issued, the RFL should state what punishment it deems suitable and we should just move on and concentrate on winning games.
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| Quote ="theadore"It's a decent apology and no more needs to be said. Hopefully something that can be put behind everyone.'"
Its PR bull smokescreen that i seriously doubt mcdermott or hardaker have uttered any of those words. Likewise its inconceivable that he would insult monas in that instant, he didn't cheat the penalty, he got pushed down by ablett and his leg pulled around by Leuluai.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Its PR bull smokescreen that i seriously doubt mcdermott or hardaker have uttered any of those words. Likewise its inconceivable that he would insult monas in that instant, he didn't cheat the penalty, he got pushed down by ablett and his leg pulled around by Leuluai.'"
You're wrong IMO FMC, it was obviously written by Hardaker and McDermott
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