Aren't you the dick who:

- wished Danny McGuire had broke his neck: I guess you won't be sending the Matt King Christmas cards this year: and

- posted allegations that a Warrington player failed a drugs test as fact when they were completely fabricated.

Yes, that's him. Why he isn't banned is beyond me.
Not wishing to de-rail the thread at all, so back to it. I think Tomkins is best at 6 at the mement, but that isn't to say that he won't make a great fullback in time. He is the best young talent in English RL and needs to be looked after. Any Warrington fans who think otherwise are deluding themselves.

I don't like de-railing threads but I just wanted to say:-

- you said you wanted Danny Maguire to break his neck
- you alleged a Warrington player failed a drugs test

seems like that should recieve a ban.

I'd much rather take the experienced fullback who can kick goals (Hodgson) over a petulant, spoilt cheat from Wigan who we'd have to pay well over the odds for anyday.

Brilliant argument....ones playing at full back in the state of Origin the other is more suited to sitting in the back of an orange estate.


Fact Sam Tomkins is a great prospect
Fact his kicking game is ordinary
Fact he was poor at Stand off v Kiwis
Fact he was poor at Full back V Australia
Fact he will play ok./well v Papua New gunea at either fullback or stand off
Fact He will stay at Wigan for a long time
Fact no fan gives credit to an opposing teams star player especially if they are a niggly little turd...

Fact Sam tomkins is Rubbish...see above fact for reason behind this.

hope this has cleared up the Tomkins debate

Realistically you are not going to get the likes of Billy Slater or Brett Stewart, i would have gone for Ben Farrar (23yrs of age) who Catalan signed, he looked a class act when filling in for Brett Stewart.

Heres hoping we sign a lot more average players over the coming seasons then


I cant actually decide if you really think Sam is average, or your just another desperate wire fan trying to convince yourself that Wigan arent really that good. To anyone whos not totally biased against Wigan, Sam is easily one of, if not the best fullback in the league after only playing a handfull of games in that position

You surnames not Benitez is it?? Lol.



Tomkins is a good future prospect, and i think he'd do well in a Wire shirt.** Runs and hides**



He looked average (if that) against superior opposition, but having said that, the whole England team did. He was taught a lesson in playing stand off when Wigan played Wires at wigan though by the god that is Lee Briers

agree with that master class by Briers and i think that is where our money should go.

Concidering Sam plays full back now but likes to play stand off (Ithink) Where we gonna play him when he signs for Wire **doesn't run and hide**

i assume the answer would be Fullback as, as has been said, he can't kick for toffee and [size=50can't lead[/size



My point being i would rather take the money we would no doubt be forced to pay for Standard Sam

jk and buy a star NRL stand off like Benji.

In fact I like the sound of that,

no he's not he's done exactly what Graham Appo did at Wire a few years ago he was playing wing one minute the next when Briers got injured he stepped in at stand off took us to the playe offs and was named in the dream team ......

the following year he was $hit....

are you saying Tomkins is better than Wellens as a complete fullback or even Briscoe ....no hes done well in his first few games at it and was very pleasing on the eye in an attacking sense but as quite clearly emphasised on Sunday he has rarely been tested in defence at fullback and when he is he comes up short.....

Note to wigan fans this does not mean Sam tomkins is rubbish he just isnt the worlds best fullback after 6 games

spot on best post on this topic...good player yes..world class no..

Did you watch the GF?

If Sam is average, what are your thoughts on Richie Myler?

he isn't the best fullback in the league.. is that the answer you were looking for?

No sorry fell asleep.....

fact of the matter is there is a middle ground here in regards tomkins.

wigan fans think he is the best player since sliced bread... he isnt... however he is a very good player... to suggest he is the best fullback in the league is a bit silly really... he wasn't even the best fullback at wigan last year.

some warrington fans like to think he isnt as good as he actually is... but thats just the way it is... opposition fans always do that... although going off some of the comments on here, some would appear to have appalling judgement.

only if you watched the challenge cup final.....

which one?

I did indeed. Embarrased Leeds at Wembley to claim back to back trophies. Congrats (not sure why you brought it up)

My point lies with Sam from the fullback position was able to have a massive effect on the result (2nd in the HS voting), whereas Wellens was solid yet unspectacular.

You look at some of the best NRL fullbacks (Slater, Hayne, Dugan etc) one of there main aspects of there game is there pace. Sam shares this quality. Sorry to use a Wigan example again but at the start of the season Amos Roberts was rippin up SL playing fullback with his pace and elusiveness.

The modern day full back IMO needs to have pace, as they chime into the line as a 3rd half therefore having loads of space to use.

Therefore I think Sam is one of, if not the best fullback in superleague. Even after only playing 12 or so games at the position

good player..why do you ask??we are on about full backs

Yes. The fullback roll has changed over recent years. A modern fullback is all about pace and attacking threat, yes they need to be able to defend, but the game has moved on now from Wellens and Briscoes style of fullback play. Top fullbacks now have the style of Slater, Hayne, Tomkins, Hodgson

Never mind Tomkins ability as a player (which is considerable, let's be fair) but what is the deal with calling him 'Sam' all the time. Yes yes yes, I know his brother plays in the same team but all this 'Sam' this and 'Sam' that is a little bit paternal for my liking.

He's a sportsman so he should be getting calling by:-

His last name: Tomkins
His full name: Sam Tomkins
A mixture of the two: Tomksins (S)
His nickname: The Jellyfish

'the little rat'

these threads are pointless.
As anyone who wouldnt take Slater or Hayne wants to give their head a wobble.

re: Tomkins; its fair to say he will become a great player, especially as a full back. A better player in time than Hodgson? I reckon so