he said at the start of the program, camelot and lottery have the legal right to show the numbers first, likewise he's said in previous money making schemes and scams(greyhound racing) he doesn't do it cos it would ruin his credibility as a professional.

This is why Derren Brown is banned from every single casino. Can you imagine the uproar if a mathematician (or Derren Brown who is well known for things like this) won the lottery? There's no way Camelot would allow them to keep it. Plus I think Mr. Brown is rich enough from his tours, DVDs, books, programmes to need a lottery win.

Nobody is questioning the Camelot statement. nothing stopped him showing his own numbers 5 mins before the draw was made other than it would have been pointless as he wouldn`t have had any numbers to show as the trick/illusion on the face of it relies on knowing the result first hence why he never revealed what his own numbers were before hand.

Anyone can show their ticket to anyone else before the draw his made, ask yourself why he didn`t show his numbers until after the draw, the trick/illusion would have had more credibilty that way rather than showing us something after the event.

Because of he'd been right (which he was) he'd have been breaking Camelots right to show the lottery numbers first to the general public. It'd a bit different showing your mates the lottery numbers and broadcasting them live on TV in front of an audience of (probably) millions.

If the methodology for the win came from applying a mathematical principle, there is nothing that Camelot can do about it, as it isn't cheating.

Your missing the point, their was nothing stopping him showing his own numbers 5 mins before the draw other than the trick wouldn`t have worked because it relied on knowing the result before hand.

Camelot would have been showing the draw and result first anyway, his numbers were irrelevant other than they were just a set of numbers for a tv show and it would have made no difference to camelot if they were on show or not as they had nothing to do with their draw other than for an illusion.

Even if they had been right or wrong, nobody could have entered the numbers anyway.

Same applies to casinos, doesn't mean Derren Brown is banned from every single one.

No Rob is right.

He wouldn't have been showing the lottery numbers, he would have been showing his prediction. The numbers hadn't been drawn, so there was no issue with him showing them. It was part of the show.

I agree that he never had the numbers in advance, how could he?

He is a trickster of the very highest order.

Ever noticed how some balls are drawn with a far greater frequency than others?

He's banned from Casino's because he can count cards which gives him a mathematical edge the casino don't want players to have. I bet a casino would let him in if he just wanted to play roulette.

There is no equations to work out what roulette numbers will come out or what lottery numbers. In theory, the same lottery numbers could come out every week for 4 weeks in a row. The key, as people have pointed out, is that he would not show his numbers before the draw. Yes, the BBC have the legal right to show them first but his numbers were just a prediction and not the official numbers. This means he could have shown his numbers first without and legal implications. He did not do it because he did not know them.

We'll be told how he did it tonight and I'm 99% sure that it will be proved to have been some sort of mind trick or misdirection. He did say after all that he will be performing 4 feats of misdirection on his adverts originally.

There is nothing that Camelot could do if his methodology came from computation.

Can I just state for the record: I do not think Derren Brown actually predicted the lottery numbers using some psychic ability.

My point is that I think he's above using such techniques as camera trickery. One reason why I respect him so much is beacuse he freely states that what he does anyone could do with a certain amount of intelligence and a lot of training and practise. He never claims he's psychic or magic, just that he uses illusion, misdirection, suggestion and an extrodinary talent for reading people.

I fully expect this to be a trick but I don't think it will be something as mundane as camera trickery or sleight-of-hand. He stated he'd spent a year on the project which, if it's true, implies something slightly more complex.

When does he reveal how he did it?

Channel 4 tonight. 10:30pm I think.

So you dont think that there is any chance that this statement was bobbins and just mis-direction to throw people off the scent.

here here..i`ll be going bed out the way...no doubt he`ll come out with some bilge that some folk will believe....utter nonsense

Are you scared of fire by any chance?

no...may i ask why

Wonder if he'll ever reveal his tricks?

Just reading through this thread....Have to agree with RobWire, in that the key to this trick (or illusion) is that he never revealed his numbers BEFORE the draw (Legalities had nothing to do with this, the only legal stipulation was that the BBC have the exclusive rights to the draw....anybody can 'predict' a set of numbers if they wish).

It will certainly be interesting to see the actual method for this illusion, but personally I'd be a lot more impressed if he told us the numbers before the draw.

fair enough but for people to say its camera tricks and things like that , split screen etc , for those who have seen derren browns tricks no that he wouldnt do something like that coz anyone could do it and it also says that he is going to show everyone how to do it themselves , so no-one will know until tonight :/

But you have to ask........why didnt he put a pound on it?

right, listen silly @rse. He will not be showing anyone how to predict the lottery numbers. He will show people how he created the illusion of prediction the lottery numbers. Only meths drinkers and the stupid of the stupid will think that he has done this mathematically.

too right..and do it every week

The lottery is chance that's all it comes down to. They could draw the same 6 numbers every week for a year, would be the same odds.