Should of never been manager in the first place, you can never appoint a manager that has a link to the club

Let's not rewrite history.

Cullen was a positive chapter in the club's history. We were an absolute shambles when he took over and the team he inherited was the poorest I've ever seen. (And trust me that takes some doing.) From there he took us to the play offs in the next season - that Wigan game being one of the most memorable moments for many a season up to that point.

Over his tenure we on the whole played exciting rugby and had some highs such as the Leeds game in the play offs and many others. He just couldn't take us that extra step to consistent and sustained success.

Most managerial careers end in failure but on the whole I wouldn't tag Cullen a failure - he just couldn't match up to the high expectations. The fact we had them in the first place is testament to the job he did.

I always thought that PC should have appointed an experienced No 2 (eg., Kear, McRae) to bounce ideas off.

Although, we did have more good times than bad under Cull - sad that people only remember his failings.

Had he not been appointed we would have been in what was then NL 1, and we may not have got back into SL.

Not true.

Why?

Yeah and the big sit down protest

What he did was hardly an extraordinary feat and who's to say we wouldn't have done better with [ianyone[/i else?

Roughly same win/loss ratio as Plange, so the same could be said of him too?

Remember Plange contributed 8 pts during his tenure, PC 4 pts, Anderson 2 pts.

You still haven't told me why I'm wrong. Point is, had we won none out of 6, it was bye bye.

You said "Had he not been appointed we would have been in what was then NL 1, and we may not have got back into SL".

No evidence to suggest we would have been relegated without his appointment. And there is no evidence to suggest we would not have got back into SL if we were, indeed, relegated. That is why you are wrong.

However saying "had we have won none from 6, it was bye bye" is correct.

Profound apologies. I didn't know that I wasn't entitled to an opinion. I bow to your far greater knowledge.

You asked just a couple of posts above "You still haven't told me why I'm wrong"

I answered and explained. Of course you are entitled to an opinion.

In general what many people don't realise is that Plange was probably more instrumental in our surviving in SL by pulling off unlikely wins against Hull FC away and Leeds to name just two. Under Plange we won 8 of our 14 "survival" points.

Also people dont remember that under PC we lost our last 2 games which, if results hadn't been favourable, would have led to relegation.

I just don't get this PC saviour thing.

we did`nt when lowes was in charge

There never is any evidence for things that never happened

Yes i did.

58-4 to Wigan's young team suggests to me Plange was heading into a strong downward spiral. The decision to replace him was the correct one.

Also there is no evidence to support had we been relegated, we would have been promoted, so he isn't wrong at all. He is offering up a theory that relegation would have seen this club be no more. More than likely it would have folded without the Sky cash.

As plausible as any other.

Does not support the argument that had PC not been appointed we would have been relegated.

We won 4 points will PC from a possible 12 when all said and done.

We were safe by the last 2 games though.
Also the signings of Nat Wood and Westwood proved huge especially as we were weakening one of our relegation rivals.
Those two players imo turned out to be 2 of our better ones in recent times.

Who is to say if we hadn't appointed PC, we would have gained those points to keep us from being relegated? The only actual fact is he coached the team that avoided relegation.

The actual fact is that Anderson, Plange, and then PC coached the team that avoided relegation. It cannot all be attributed to PC. It's conjecture again on what would have happened in other circumstances.

In fact Plange inherited that team at rock bottom after a terrible start, and took us up two places to 10th - the position in which we finnished the season.

If Cullen hadn't secured our place in SL, having won two of his first four games in charge, those last two games could have bit us on the .

The simple fact is, those last two games were pretty much pointless, bar an incredible amount of points being scored by the bottom two, we were safe after Round 26.

I'll tell you one thing; there was no way in a million years that Plange's side would have won against Halifax away. The confidence drawn from that victory wasclearly visible, even fron the stands.

Here here. Someone else MIGHT have kept us up? maybe, but there is of course no facts to back this. Cullen arrived and gave motivation to prevent the possible drop. We had 'fun' times under his leadership, KK football equivelent - doubt we would have won owt but we need to put things into perpective, he did keep us up, he was a wire legend in his playing days and to loose sight of the above is unfair or stupid. yes to progress he had to go but don't loose sight of what he did for the club please.

Planges best day in charge was that away day at the Boulevard in Hull. About 40 wire fans turned up and watched Lee Briers pop over drop goal after droap goal to deprive Hull of the ball. I think he scored 7 in that game alone.

That was was a real strange experience in RL terms