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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"I like thinking about things probabilistically like this.
At this point, my totally subjective - not based on any statistical modelling information or projections - guesstimate would be:
Making Wembley: 20%
Winning the CC: 10%
Winning the League Leaders' Shield: 10%
Making the playoffs: 55%
Making the Grand Final: 10%
Winning the Grand Final: 5%
That would give us a 1 in 200 chance of winning the double and 1 in 2000 chance of the treble, assuming the events are independent. In practice the odds of making/winning the Grand Final would go up if we won the LLS and might go down if we won the CC, but I haven't factored that in.'"
Based on last 10 seasons.
Making Wembley 6/10 = 60%
Winning the CC 4/10 = 40%
LLS 2/10 = 20%
Making the playoffs = 9/10 = 90%
Making the GF = 4/10 = 40%
Winning the GF = 0/10 = 0%
Price Tenure
Making Wembley 2/2 = 100%
Winning the CC 1/2 = 50%
LLS 0/2 = 0%
Making the playoffs = 2/2 = 100%
Making the GF = 1/2 = 50%
Winning the GF = 0/2 = 0%
Statistically we are better with Price than the average of the last 10 years. But it doesn't feel like that.
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| Let’s be blunt, for 2/3rds of the season we played like a team that had been introduced to each other half an hour before kick off. The most important question is, has SP learned his lesson?
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| Quote ="Captain Hook" has SP learned his lesson?'"
What lesson though? He was of the opinion it was a successful season. It was KP who had do disavow that opinion.
I'm not expecting Price to have a volte-face and deliver the equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters next season.
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| It depends on what the objectives of the club are. If Price is instructed to win, obtain a successful win:loss ratio and reach the major finals, his approach is unlikely to change.
However, if KF wants to push this ‘brand’ he may suggest a more attractive style accepting that comes at an occasional slip up.
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| Karl Fitzpatrick, such a joker
He’s got us with more “ stage props” off the field than “ props” on it.
And just to re- emphasise, If last season wasn’t a successful season, I’ll take another unsuccessful season this time round.
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| Too right....offer me a CC win on no GF....I'd take it...but I still expect us win everything.
Another pathetic back end stretch or lose any of our 1st three games....I'll run him the airport myself.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Too right....offer me a CC win on no GF....I'd take it...but I still expect us win everything.
Another pathetic back end stretch or lose any of our 1st three games....I'll run him the airport myself.'"
I would take 1 GF win over all the 4 CC wins.
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| Quote ="Superblue"
And just to re- emphasise, If last season wasn’t a successful season, I’ll take another unsuccessful season this time round.'"
It's interesting as you claim not winning the GF as successful?
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| Quote ="Superblue"Karl Fitzpatrick, such a joker
He’s got us with more “ stage props” off the field than “ props” on it.
And just to re- emphasise, If last season wasn’t a successful season, I’ll take another unsuccessful season this time round.'"
And you will probably have a lot more elbow room while doing so
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| Quote ="Wires71"What lesson though? He was of the opinion it was a successful season. It was KP who had do disavow that opinion.
I'm not expecting Price to have a volte-face and deliver the equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters next season.'"
I think its reasonable to say it was a successful season, even if you don't think we're heading in the right direction overall.
In the 30 seasons I've watched Warrington, I'd rank 2019 the third most successful season.
Top 10 for me:
2012
2010
2019
2009
2016
2011
1993/94
1989/90
1990/91
2017
After that...not a lot to shout about...
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| Quote ="Wires71"It's interesting as you claim not winning the GF as successful?'"
Don’t know how you got to that conclusion, , but seeing as you have, it’s interesting that you wouldn’t enter the Challenge Cup as you consider winning it isn’t being successful.
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"And you will probably have a lot more elbow room while doing so'"
It wasn’t me farted guvnor, it was me dog
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| Other than the CC I didn’t enjoy the majority of last season. I have seen us play some dog dirt rugby in my time, but it felt like we really underperformed, whether that is fair or not that is my perception. I was disappointed.
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| First 9 games of 2019 we were 8 from 9, level with Saints at the top, we weren't great but we were managing to cope with the loss of Brown, Austin was showing flashes of what he was capable off, defense was good and we were waiting for Patton to step up and Currie and Murdoch-Masila to rediscover some of their previous form.
We lose to Saints and then Salford but we win the next 5 from 6. Still not good but we're still 2nd with a big gap to third, we're going ok in the cup. Alright, Patton isn't getting any better, neither is Currie or BMM but we're coping.
Remaining 12 games we manage just three wins. We lift he Challenge Cup but over those last 12 fixtures we are bottom with Wakefield.
Last year we had no attacking flare. Once teams had worked out how to contain Austin, and especially once we lost Ratchford, we had nothing to offer. The problem was that Price persisted with Plan A. We need that spine of Clark, Widdop, Austin and Ratchford to stay fit and healthy for as much of the season as possible.
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| We need a dominant pack but great post St H Wolf.
The CC win and subsequent CC games prior, Price got as many big uns out as possible.
Said it many times. The props are bare bones but good enough to win the lot if they remain fit, with the size of backrowers and outside backs we have. Lineham and Gelling will be huge for us...they are like forwards.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"We need a dominant pack but great post St H Wolf.
The CC win and subsequent CC games prior, Price got as many big uns out as possible.
Said it many times. The props are bare bones but good enough to win the lot if they remain fit, with the size of backrowers and outside backs we have. Lineham and Gelling will be huge for us...they are like forwards.'"
I really don't want to see us play with 13 forwards!
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"I really don't want to see us play with 13 forwards!'"
Give me 13 Bateman's...I'd take them to win the NRL..never mind SL.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Give me 13 Bateman's...I'd take them to win the NRL..never mind SL.'"
we dont have 1 bateman though.
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| What we really lacked was leadership. Independent of the argument as to whether Hill is the right choice as captain (I believe that he isn't) what we lacked was a General on the field. Austin tried to fill the role but I don't think that's his natural style. Brown should have been the organiser but due to his injury we were left with Patton who couldn't direct traffic on Tesco's car park.
With the arrival of Widdop I'm looking forward to his organisational skills as much as his ball playing ability. It should be something like the lift we got with the arrival of Giddley.
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| Quote ="St Helens Wolf"First 9 games of 2019 we were 8 from 9, level with Saints at the top, we weren't great but we were managing to cope with the loss of Brown, Austin was showing flashes of what he was capable off, defense was good and we were waiting for Patton to step up and Currie and Murdoch-Masila to rediscover some of their previous form.
We lose to Saints and then Salford but we win the next 5 from 6. Still not good but we're still 2nd with a big gap to third, we're going ok in the cup. Alright, Patton isn't getting any better, neither is Currie or BMM but we're coping.
Remaining 12 games we manage just three wins. We lift he Challenge Cup but over those last 12 fixtures we are bottom with Wakefield.
Last year we had no attacking flare. Once teams had worked out how to contain Austin, and especially once we lost Ratchford, we had nothing to offer. The problem was that Price persisted with Plan A. We need that spine of Clark, Widdop, Austin and Ratchford to stay fit and healthy for as much of the season as possible.'"
After the Salford loss we stumbled to some wins but didn't look convincing.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"we dont have 1 bateman though.'"
Sadly.
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| Over the last decade or so we’ve had various combinations of players who could have taken the grand final. But we haven’t. Yes we need a prop but it’s something else that’s missing.
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| Quote ="Robwire"Over the last decade or so we’ve had various combinations of players who could have taken the grand final. But we haven’t. Yes we need a prop but it’s something else that’s missing.'"
Ruthless ambition to be the best in everything we do.
Dedication.
Determination.
Talent.
No excuses policy.
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| You missed out “luck” which in tight games is often the difference...an injury here...a sending off there...
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"You missed out “luck” which in tight games is often the difference...an injury here...a sending off there...'"
Or a refereeing decision or two.
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