In fairness to Gray, he did play for his country. Admittedly that country was Scotland, but still an achievement nonetheless.

In hindsight its obvious that had they known they were being recorded they wouldn't have said anything, but I also think had she got that first crucial offside call wrong Gray would still be in a job as his comments (whether he said them before or after) would be justified in the same way all referees cop abuse.

Yes, he [iplayed [/ithe game, but that doesn't mean he passed any exams to show he actually knows the laws, does it? And even if she had made one wrong call it would not mean that she 'didn't understand the offside rule'. Officials make mistakes, just like players do. I'm sure Grey missed the odd shot on goal - doesn't mean he didn't understand the 'you get the ball between the uprights and you score' rule.

Whenever i have been at home and watched Loose Women.I have been appalled at the sexism,in that show.

Colleen Nolan herself actually admitted this in the Mirror today as justification for why Gray shouldn't have been sacked.

Nobody takes the preverbial out of men more than Jo brand,
Nobody takes the preverbial out of women more than Chubby Brown,
this argument could run and run!!

i know what the poster is sayin bout Loose Women though but give it,take it thats what i say!

Andy Gray must now have more money than he can count

If I were him, I'd hold a press conference and say "all women know f*ck all about offside"

Then get his c**k out

Give people something to REALLY talk about.

Richard Keys "apparently" now resigned.

All this over abit of banter.

2005 champions League final....A.C. Milan 3-0 up against Liverpool...

Andy Gray says "Game well and truly over"....

Andy Grays best ever quote...

But it wasn't a bit of banter. It was sexism in the workplace and in the workplace sexism has no place, men to women or women to men. That those guys were too dense to appreciate that isn't the fault of anyone but themselves. Sexism in the workplace should not be tolerated because we don't get to choose our colleagues and so we don't necessarily appreciate their 'wit'. They are foisted on us and so there has to be an enforced code of conduct. If two old idiots aren't willing or able to appreciate that then they deserve all they get. If they want to banter then they can go to the pub.

Gray and Keys were past their sell by date, I would like to see Ron Atkinson come back to TV punditry, with Stan Collymore alongside him.

Gray and Keys to possibly be snapped up by ESPN now? As for replacements on Sky Sports, Jamie Redknapp and Jeff Stelling would suit me fine.

Think Big Ron and Marcel Desailly would make a much more entertaining pairing.

Frank Bough....as Anchor Man...??

Is that bloke who got kicked out of Blue Peter back in the 60's or 70's still alive - he could do a job too.

or his son DAlian

Jamie Redknapp is nearly as big a tit as Gray. I don't watch a lot of football on TV, but if I did there's not many "experts" who wouldn't wind me up.

No, I think Gray will go to the Middle East for a bit, do some punditry there. I'm not too sure about what Keys will do, but it is a good shout regarding Redknapp and Stelling. I would be happy with that. I wouldn't be happy with Ben Shepherd though, he's not a patch on Keys.

Football is a girls game.

lovejoy?

Redknapp is terrible. Two of the best analysers they have on Sky are Gullit and Souness (who is even better on RTE when he's allowed more freedom of speech). When Redknapp is on with them they are always picking holes with what he has to say in a shut up you don't know what you are on about kind of way. Even Dwight Yorke was putting him right a couple of weeks ago.

On the sacking argument, I think everyone has missed the point on why they have been sacked. It wasn't just the comments in the couple of videos going about. It's fairly well known that these pair are like this all the time and believed they were untouchable. Not just sexual harassment but all other sorts of bullying. From my understanding there won't be many people working at Sky who are upset by these pair leaving.

There's also the case of Gray's current lawsuit against the News Of The World in the phone tapping scandal. The NOTW and Sky both being part of the News International group.

Yeah, I agree on Gullit and Souness. I'm not Souness' biggest fan, but he does talk a lot more sense than most.

Redknapp is a complete idiot.

Quote ="latchfordbob"Redknapp is terrible. Two of the best analysers they have on Sky are Gullit and Souness (who is even better on RTE when he's allowed more freedom of speech). When Redknapp is on with them they are always picking holes with what he has to say in a shut up you don't know what you are on about kind of way. Even Dwight Yorke was putting him right a couple of weeks ago. On the sacking argument, I think everyone has missed the point on why they have been sacked. It wasn't just the comments in the couple of videos going about. It's fairly well known that these pair are like this all the time and believed they were untouchable. Not just sexual harassment but all other sorts of bullying. From my understanding there won't be many people working at Sky who are upset by these pair leaving. There's also the case of Gray's current lawsuit against the News Of The World in the phone tapping scandal. The NOTW and Sky both being part of the News International group.'" I agree with all of this, starting with what you say about Souness and Gullit both of whom are excellent summarisers. Souness is much maligned by football fans but I think he's a good bloke and a true football man who doesn't stand for the egos and nonsense in the modern game, which has translated in him having a reputation as a 'bad man manager' when he's managed teams, because he falls out with players. On the Sky presenters there have been a few articles in papers like this: www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011 ... intcmp=239 basically saying that Gray and Keys have been bullying staff, including new males, for years. It's totally obvious that they've been stitched up with these old clips appearing in the public domain but thats what happens if you aren't nice to people at the bottom rung of the ladder, sometimes its as dangerous to make enemies down below as it is amongst management. Few people are crying about Gray and Keys demise.

Quote ="latchfordbob"Redknapp is terrible. Two of the best analysers they have on Sky are Gullit and Souness (who is even better on RTE when he's allowed more freedom of speech). When Redknapp is on with them they are always picking holes with what he has to say in a shut up you don't know what you are on about kind of way. Even Dwight Yorke was putting him right a couple of weeks ago. On the sacking argument, I think everyone has missed the point on why they have been sacked. It wasn't just the comments in the couple of videos going about. It's fairly well known that these pair are like this all the time and believed they were untouchable. Not just sexual harassment but all other sorts of bullying. From my understanding there won't be many people working at Sky who are upset by these pair leaving. There's also the case of Gray's current lawsuit against the News Of The World in the phone tapping scandal. The NOTW and Sky both being part of the News International group.'" I agree with all of this, starting with what you say about Souness and Gullit both of whom are excellent summarisers. Souness is much maligned by football fans but I think he's a good bloke and a true football man who doesn't stand for the egos and nonsense in the modern game, which has translated in him having a reputation as a 'bad man manager' when he's managed teams, because he falls out with players. On the Sky presenters there have been a few articles in papers like this: www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011 ... intcmp=239 basically saying that Gray and Keys have been bullying staff, including new males, for years. It's totally obvious that they've been stitched up with these old clips appearing in the public domain but thats what happens if you aren't nice to people at the bottom rung of the ladder, sometimes its as dangerous to make enemies down below as it is amongst management. Few people are crying about Gray and Keys demise.

Does he still work for Sky?

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