I never resort to name calling, not sure why my posts get such a reaction. The club must have been in cahoots as it was their representatives defending him and cross-examining Charnley. If the club feels he's innocent, they could have done better, put it that way. If they don't, there's better ways to deal with that too. There's nothing sensational in saying that.

Interesting that the Tribunal accepted the word of Charnley over Maguire for a number of reasons given there was no supportive evidence. 1) Although not the criminal burden of proof (beyond a reasonable doubt now more often stated as “must be satisfied so that you are sure”) that is the test the tribunal said it used. While it is possible to find someone guilty on the word of 1 witness the witness has to be truly compelling.
2)The Tribunal said that Charnley was convincing given his reaction at the time and could therefore not have mis heard. In fact if Charnley had genuinely mis heard his reaction would have been the same.
3) I wonder to what extent Maguires’ previous influenced the decision. The Tribunal will have known of his last offence even if it was not “officially” before them. In criminal proceedings eg jury trial the jury can only be told of “previous” in specific circumstances. one of those is where the Defendant asserts his good character, which seemingly Maguire did “I would never use those words”. That leads me to
4) Charnley’s “character”. This is a man who has for years cheated/attempted to cheat with that ridiculous “trapping” manoeuvre.
Having said all that and picking up on a point made by Saddened. The evidence that is given at the hearing is not something that is in the hands of the club. In fact witnesses are not allowed to be coached but they can be “rehed a fine but significant distinction. The bottom line is however that Maguire seems to be thicker than a doorstep sandwich.
In fact trying to compare Saints appeal success against Maguires’ appearance is a false equivalence. Their appeals have been where there is video evidence which is able to be studied and analysed. This obviously was not the case, had there been I have no doubt that lip readers would have been utilised. So on this occasion, surprisingly, Saddend’s dig at the club is unwarranted.
Finally WHETHER he appeals will tell us a lot about how strongly he feels and what assessment was made by the lawyers involved as to what happened at the Tribunal and the likelihood of success.

From the disciplinary tribunal minutes ...

The referee’s report states the following:

In the 71st minute of the game, Warrington Wolves number 11 Ben Currie scored a try. After the try was awarded numerous players from both sides came together exchanging insults. At this point I witnessed Warrington Wolves number 13 Josh McGuire use unacceptable language relating to disability. He was then dismissed from the field.

• The Match Review Panel see no reason to disbelieve the referee.

• Mr Griffiths is clear that he says he witnesses Mr McGuire say the words

Wanderer, wasn't this the first offence?

Yes, it's a response to the comment quoted about 'the first time' which I read to be the previous incident (especially in view of the quoted post it followed).

Fair enough W I thought that thankfully we'd moved on

https://www.rugby-league.com/article/61 ... view-panel

https://www.rugby-league.com/article/61 ... view-panel

tenuous link to all this, (cos i dont want to bump the powell out thread) the leeds board is good reading this week,especially since redvee has normalised since they've picked up their form.

Honestly thought that blonde lad for Hudds who shoulder charged ratch would've been picked up. Had stef stayed down I think he would've.

Thought that Dudson was lucky after cleaning out (I think) same blonde lad.

https://www.rugby-league.com/article/61 ... go-salabio

https://www.rugby-league.com/article/61 ... go-salabio

Spear tackle = 7 games
Hurty words = 12 games

I understand the point you are making ... but in the interest of balance, it was 7 for what you refer to as 'Hurty words' and 12 for a second offence (subject to any appeal).

I don’t think it’s hyperbole (as there have been such instances) but Myler could’ve been killed in that tackle.

Fair play to Myler he got up straight away given some of his previous antics.

So tomorrow is the deadline if McGuire is going to appeal, not sure what time the cut off is though.

Just seven days from Thursday.

We have been needing this for a few seasons.

Any opposition forwards who targets our backs need to be aware that retribution will be dished out to them too in the same game

It is a massive deterrent

total rugby league saying he is not appealing 12 game ban so what is going to happen now

I guess whether they announce anything this week depends on whether they think it would be disruptive to the build up to the cup game.

Sit out the summer & get paid.

Would hope the club make a comment about it one way or the other now it’s concluded.

McGuire may as well have appealed it if he’s adamant he didn’t say it. Even if he fails and gets a couple of games on top it’s not really going to make a difference to this season Maybe he / the club are already planning his future and there was little point wasting time with an appeal.

Sad that it’s worked out this way, as I hear he’s very good behind the scenes and has a good coaching brain on him.

The sooner we put this saga behind us the better, and it will free up some money to bring Sam Burgess, Ben Barba and John Hopoate out of retirement. With us being on a roll ‘n’ all…

As a matter of interest could McGuire continue in a coaching capacity with the club even if he can't play ?

I would hope not