Don't kid yourself Hull were obviously suffering from a massive Wembley hangover + less said about the Saints game the better but if winning eff all is good enough for you then your easily pleased + not a lazy ill informed view just my honest opinion + as for my age let's just say I'd guess I was watching Wires when you was just a twinkle in your fathers eye.

At last someone talking sense and not just here for a moan.

Agree, wigan just slightly better on the night. We were in then hunt for all 3 trophies, disappointing yes but it was a lot worse last year. I'd rather us lose a final than not get there.

Would say Saints have a lot to do to get back in contention with either side.Back to the drawing board.

When we lose 5 GF on the bounce like Saints 2007-11 I'll start to think we have a problem.

Saints 5 wins in 10 GF's for a 50% win ratio.

Dire 0 wins in 3 GF's for a 0% win ratio.

61 years and counting.

I suppose next year will be 'your year' though...

Not been 61 years of grand finals has there

Leeds. 2005

You post nothing for the whole week in the lead up to the game, then within minutes of the FT hooter, you're on here slagging us off.

Did you even go to the game?

Yeah, and what happened to those chokers after that? Oh wait, that doesn't fit with tonight's narrative does it...

Embarrassing honestly. I feel sorry for Clark, Russell and Hill because they're the only players on our team who wanted to run forwards tonight. I legitimately think that the three of them may have made more metres than the entire rest of the team put together. I don't know what the big rush was to get to the touchline in that second half. We didn't deserve it at all. We had Gidley, Sandow and Patton on all at once at one point and still couldn't score. The amount of times Wigan dropped the ball in their own twenty from kicks should have gifted us the game but we found a way to lose.

I haven't watched the game back and couldn't see the screen tonight, what was the deal with Atkins disallowed try? The ref sent it up as a try and our end erupted on what I assume was the first replay and yet it came back no try, was it so conclusive that the VR had the balls to overturn it for once? Either way, very poor from us. Jack Hughes looked out on his feet after 20 minutes and so did half the team for the last 40. Congrats Wigan, did it when it mattered.

Didn't go the game due to personal reasons but doesn't that entitle me to my own opinion?If you don't like my posts just scroll up.

It gave Leeds the imputes to go and be a team that won finals more than they lost them. Warrington still have to write that history though, doesn't mean the same will happen for warrington.

Yeah the ball came loose and bounced.

Sorry you couldn't make the game. I suspect you wouldn't have enjoyed it anyway. What's your excuse for not posting for so long, then jumping on so soon to bag us then?

This is a forum for opinions, even if they differ from yours. He doesn't need to explain himself. We can't all be the type that say "never mind Wire, well done anyway, let's have a homecoming".

Fair enough, take your word for it because I can't watch that back. Were we actually offside for his one on one steal? Best moment of the game that, watching him go and Charnley chasing him down. Not that it'd have come to anything anyway because we managed to do f*ck all with it before the ref had even got everyone to listen.

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I thought the Atkins one should have been a try. Sarginson purposely knocks the ball out with his hand, it goes backwards and then Atkins grounds it.

Not sure why he overruled the ref, that was the changing point.

My you are touchy tonight but understandable as yet again we've choked on the big stage that is OT.Right I'm off to sleep where I may have a dream one 1 day we'll win the GF before I meet my maker.Sweet dreams.

So what you're saying is I have to watch the game back to see if I can hang some blame on us being screwed over and not just being beaten fairly, hmmm, maybe I'll suffer it.

The only thing that was 100% clear from the video was that Atkins wasn't in control of the ball when it hit the ground. There wasn't any evidence either way on how it came out. Based on the evidence, the VR had to rule out the try.

As for the ball steal, Wire were offside, but not by any more than Wigan were every PTB at the end when you were pushing for an equalising try. Was an unlucky call imo.

Mostly though, from a neutral's perspective, Hicks had a good game. Only obviously wrong call he got was giving that ball steal when O'Loughlin went to ground the ball.

There has to be conclusive evidence that the try should not be awarded.

The ball went backwards whether knocked out by sarginson or dropped by Atkins, he then grounds it.

Where's dropping the ball backwards mean no try?

If people are asking for the Atkins blatant drop ball, loose control never a try in a million years to be given as a try???? They need to stop following the game.

Yes I'm surprised more posters haven't latched on to that. He dropped it before it hit Clarke's arm. so was a simple knock on.

It was Shirley blatantly cheating again in his first game back; it lead to the goons try shortly after.

Ok....

But it was technically a try, it doesn't matter how messy or loose the control is.

The ball is clearly knocked backwards out of atkins hand by Sarginson, he then gets some downward pressure on the ball.