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| Everybody wants Penny to succeed but it seems he has gone from being a scapegoat to being beyond criticism. There were some basic errors made on that edge and the player himself was aware of them looking at his reaction.
Not entirely sure why he warrants being singled out on a thread on here though.
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| A fault for the try, resulting kickoff wins us the ball back with excellent kick.
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| Let's get some perspective.
Kev has made mistakes and will make mistakes, but overall the balance is positive. What impresses me these days is his ability to drive the ball in against the big guys and make meters with his leg drive.
He's still fast and knows how to play as a winger.
He does miss some tackles but usually slows the guy up enough for support to come from the inside.
The high fives and all that are part of his make-up (not a great fan of all that as I'm an old g1t and think it's a bit OTT), but I think it's part of his general positivity that rubs off on others.
We need players like him.
Keep it up Kev.
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| Quote ="mark_m"Everybody wants Penny to succeed but it seems he has gone from being a scapegoat to being beyond criticism. There were some basic errors made on that edge and the player himself was aware of them looking at his reaction.
Not entirely sure why he warrants being singled out on a thread on here though.'"
If you read my original post I think it's clear.
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| I recall the constant targeting of the Evans Lineham flank at Hull fc ...three tries conceded down that wing I think.
Hull had obviously made a conscious decision to target that wing
Did I miss the Tom lineham liability comments..?
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Quote ="the flying biscuit"I recall the constant targeting of the Evans Lineham flank at Hull fc ...three tries conceded down that wing I think.
Hull had obviously made a conscious decision to target that wing
Did I miss the Tom lineham liability comments..?'"
unfortunately, biscuit, you must've
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=593608
Shame that some lovers that "support" the Wire are never happy, unless they're pulling a player to pieces
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Quote ="the flying biscuit"I recall the constant targeting of the Evans Lineham flank at Hull fc ...three tries conceded down that wing I think.
Hull had obviously made a conscious decision to target that wing
Did I miss the Tom lineham liability comments..?'"
unfortunately, biscuit, you must've
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=593608
Shame that some lovers that "support" the Wire are never happy, unless they're pulling a player to pieces
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| Lets face it there are too many people who just don't like local guys doing well! This guy has gone through a run of emotions that most of us couldn't deal with, being a fresh face thrown into the big games scoring great tries, being dumped on by vastly experienced team mates to save their face, being ostracised by his own fans (not all), being exiled by the club, being brought back to the club and starting fresh, putting in solid performances to earn his spot plus the adulation of some of the fans. Most of that would have folks on some sort of anti depressant.
Not every player can be every ones favourite but Christ this lad is one of our own he's not on any holiday from Aus!!
I might be correct in thinking that if we had Eric Groth and Brian Bevan there would be scapegoatmanship from plenty of the loons on here!!!!
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| Quote ="Thelonius"Young lad, comes in to the sport relatively late, breaks into his home town clubs first team, scores miracle trys effortlessly, makes the dream team, gets found out all too often defensively, moves away from his home town club, plays at a lower and lower level and has to get a 'real' job driving a van, invited back to train with his home town club, breaks back into the first team, that team are top of the league and he doesn't look the slightest out of place. All we need is for Kev to go on and score the Grand Final winning try and you have yourself a ready made Hollywood script.
I've used Kev as an example to my kids on more than one occasion that if you have a dream, if you really want something, you never ever give up on it. Despite us having Gidley, Sandow, Hill and Currie, Penny is easily my favourite Wire player.'"
Good post that.
Kev is now a player first on my team sheet with Sandow and Hill on this seasons form and I'm very close to adding Atkins to that trio.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Good post that.
Kev is now a player first on my team sheet with Sandow and Hill on this seasons form and I'm very close to adding Atkins to that trio.'"
erm... Gidley?
Or are you still hoping for Chris Bridge to return at stand-off?
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| Quote ="mark_m"erm... Gidley?
Or are you still hoping for Chris Bridge to return at stand-off?'"
think you must have missed the post where RD said he thinks Gidley is washed up and showing signs of being over the hill.
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| Gidley is in the next wave of 3 selections with Atkins and Currie.
Like I said "erm' in on form. Kurt is terrific but I think he started the season better.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"think you must have missed the post where RD said he thinks Gidley is washed up and showing signs of being over the hill.'"
I missed that too backslapper. Perhaps you should find the quote and post it, or is that a lie?
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"I missed that too backslapper. Perhaps you should find the quote and post it, or is that a lie?'"
yes its a blatant lie, i just made it up.... to be honest, i dont really read your posts anymore, as they are only ever done to suit whatever agenda it is you have at the time... Chris Bridge is the best HB at the club, Sims isnt good enough... Now its ANYTHING to try and show that Ratchford is the best 6.
You're going back on block
Quote ="rubber duckie"And to the discontent of the wire purists, Gidley, is he beginning to show he's battle worn already? Perhaps it's his age, but he's missing some tackles, missing kicks and at times going missing. Ratchford was the dominant half clearly v Pies and his game management cemented that win. For this reason, Ratchford must partner Gidley. With a proven hb partner Kurt can relinquish some responsibility put upon him helping to allow that form he had before his bang to the head to return.
I await the backlash off Gidley lovers and scapegoat propaganda posters.'"
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| Quote ="Ron"I don't think he is good defensively but that isn't my major worry... its his lack of size. I was cringing slightly in the last 20 minutes when I knew we needed a good set of 6 and to get down wigans end and heis taking a hit up. He is just too lightweight in my opinion and gets absolutely dominated in the tackle. Regularly seems to get held up and dragged back 5 yards, completely putting us on the backfoot in the set of 6.
If you compare this to how good wingers get their teams set of 6 started e.g. Charnley, manfredi, Briscoes, Hall etc who have the strength to get on the front foot it is light and day and makes it so much easier for the forwards following.
He possibly has to be more brave in the tackle and not run so upright into contact, and look to hit the deck quickly by driving low. Not sure, he just seems to casually jog into the opposition defence anticipating getting held up.'"
Sorry mate but you're talking drivel.
He has an average gain of 8.27, better than Russell, Lineham, and Sims.
I know you can't rely on statistics but this stat is a good indicator that when he does take the ball in he's making yards.
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| Quote ="Vespid_Wire"Quote ="Ron"I don't think he is good defensively but that isn't my major worry... its his lack of size. I was cringing slightly in the last 20 minutes when I knew we needed a good set of 6 and to get down wigans end and heis taking a hit up. He is just too lightweight in my opinion and gets absolutely dominated in the tackle. Regularly seems to get held up and dragged back 5 yards, completely putting us on the backfoot in the set of 6.
If you compare this to how good wingers get their teams set of 6 started e.g. Charnley, manfredi, Briscoes, Hall etc who have the strength to get on the front foot it is light and day and makes it so much easier for the forwards following.
He possibly has to be more brave in the tackle and not run so upright into contact, and look to hit the deck quickly by driving low. Not sure, he just seems to casually jog into the opposition defence anticipating getting held up.'"
Sorry mate but you're talking drivel.
He has an average gain of 8.27, better than Russell, Lineham, and Sims.
I know you can't rely on statistics but this stat is a good indicator that when he does take the ball in he's making yards.'"
Penny makes good metres after the collision. Compared to the 17 1/2st Lineham he is far superior.
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| Quote ="mark_m"Penny makes good metres after the collision. Compared to the 17 1/2st Lineham he is far superior.'"
Yup, making metres above his weight, arguably.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"yes its a blatant lie, i just made it up.... to be honest, i dont really read your posts anymore, as they are only ever done to suit whatever agenda it is you have at the time... Chris Bridge is the best HB at the club, Sims isnt good enough... Now its ANYTHING to try and show that Ratchford is the best 6.
You're going back on block
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And my post didn't come close to saying anything like your post said I had.
Thanks for the kind block. Made my day.
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| Quote ="Vespid_Wire"Sorry mate but you're talking drivel.
He has an average gain of 8.27, better than Russell, Lineham, and Sims.
I know you can't rely on statistics but this stat is a good indicator that when he does take the ball in he's making yards.'"
I am just going off watching the games, I must confess I haven't looked at stats. The stats you mentioned suggests he is a better carrier than Russell, Manfredi etc but then tackle busts show he makes half what they do.
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| There's actually a thread on the VT where fans of other clubs are expressing their admiration for what Kev has achieved coming back after all his lows.
On this board we have this...
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| Quote ="MikeyWire"There's actually a thread on the VT where fans of other clubs are expressing their admiration for what Kev has achieved coming back after all his lows.
On this board we have this...'"
Maybe he will be the first player ever to have his own fans chant "wire reject" to him? To be fair to him he's played very well so far this season, a few mistakes last Friday aside (being picky, everyone makes mistakes and he recovers well from them). I don't really care where he is on any stats lists, for me he is in the team on merit this season. Plus with what he has already been through I would back him to improve further as the season goes on.
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| I can't think of a player that I've wanted to succeed in the P&B quite as much as Kevin. Most in his position a few years ago would have given up and looked for something else. I've nothing but admiration for his determination to rectify his shortcomings as a player. Looking forward to the day he gets his hands on a much deserved trophy.
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| He's rubbish. Don't know how he gets a game
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| Tremendous game tonight, one of few. Right, I'm off to the Lineham thread for a slightly different type of post.
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| Very good again!
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| Plays well in attack but his first kick off was mighty close to going out on the full. He second did. Utter disaster of a kick.
Ball on foot shaat, ball in awe-inspiring.
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