Two things that did annoy me was his attempt at converting that scoring chance from the cross-field kick; why the hell did he dive at it feet first? Tends to suggest a lack of bravery.

And the tackle attempt at Gardner when he should him smashed him into touch was also rather pitiful.

Can we have a petitition or shall we have to put up with a facebook group cockers stylee?

FFS..!

that's it, i've decided that you're an official wind up merchant.

From your posts this weeks, there's no other explanation to it.

I think he dove at it feet first in at attempt to trap it. It would have been an almost impossible catch, as he would have had to take it whilst diving. It almost came off.

As for the tackle on Gardner, I think Credit goes to Gardner tbh, as he got so low, it became very difficult to get a big hit in. Gardner should have scored, and he did. It would have been a wonder play to keep him out there.

I've just watched the tries again, and Penny was at fault for 1 of them for me, the 2nd try. He came in as Flannery (I think) was offloading, and then realised he should have stayed out. This is the one where Gardner went low and scored.

As for the one where he got dragged off, he pulled off a very good tackle on Gardner, there was just no other Wire players alert enough to take Gidley.

He's not a rugby league player.

He doesn't have finesse, he doesn't have the skill or rugby league ability.

He has an abundance of pace, that doesn't make him a rugby league player, far from it.

He might improve with correct coaching, but in my opinion, he needs a lot of direct coaching from a decent former/existing player, to bring his game on.

i agree give the lad a chance BUT i would make the following points

he has the pace to skin the best he did it last year so create an opening for him

i worry he does not seem to like the physical side of the game most players in rugby would come in hard on a winger going over for a try he does not seem to have that in him is he a naturally aggressive lad?

Penny has the potential, but hasn't developed yet.

I'm not 100% sure whether he'll need to learn those skills on or off the Super League field.....

Comparing him with Riley;

Penny - Has the potential, but isn't ready yet
Riley - Has less potential, but is ready now

I believe Penny is the future, Riley is the now

I just don't think Penny and King work well together, you can't blame just one player for our weakness on that side.

Are you a poet ?

How many rugby league players would have attempted to 'trap it'. It wasn't the action of a rugby league player whose instinct would always be to get their hands to it.

well god knows how long riley's been playing the game, but conside the fact this is his 5th season involved in the first team. In the grand scheme of things i get the impression that penny's probably where riley was back in 05.

Giants had a player just like that. Paul White!

Penny is a liability in defence! His positioning is poor, his kick return his poor, his tackling... well lets not go there.

He constantly over runs his centre.

King drew 2 men in last night and all Penny had to do was catch the ball and he was in but he overran it and dropped it!

How much longer is he going to get away with it?

People keep saying give him a chance, but he's had 2 years now to sort it out and he hasn't

The lad might have a career in the lower leagues but he is not a "Top 5" Super League club and he should be offloaded as soon as possibe

The lad has pace but for every try he scores he will cost the team 4

I think many would have dove at it, missed it or knocked on.
It's like when the ball is on the floor, sometimes players hack it on, sometimes players dive on it. I don't think it is about bravery.

Well done that man.

You suck.

I saw your avatar and realised your post would be full of "Its not Kings fault" bull$hit...

you didnt dissapoint.........


I have no idea why people like you bother watching warrington let alone trying to discuss the game.....

"Well done that man"??????? Just picking the first point re King drawing in two men. You ARE kidding. He delayed the pass until it was suicidal. I enjoy debating with people who listen to argument (JWP, Dave T, Mark_M, Sally C etc). Those with closed minds like you and PW are not worth listening to.

I do not have a closed mind and I like to listen to what other people think about matters but surely you must realise Penny is way out of his depth

*shrugs shoulders*

I haven't got an opinion on this one way or the other as to whether he plays or not for me it depends on the opposition and his confidence, the positioning/defending is worrying though. Physically he needs to bulk up abit ala Gardner and Fox.

We can't be to over the top though, we all know his positives and negatives. Maybe him going on loan to national league team (when we have a fully fit squad) could work?

Okay then brainbox.

1. What did he do wrong last night ?

2. What try that we conceded was his fault ?

You've posted a load of crap half way up the page but you back it up with nothing, TV footage makes you look an idiot. King drew two men! No, he didn't, instead of drawing the 'one' man that he should have done, he took the tackle then when realised the opportunity was slipping away he threw a panic ball to Penny. The opportunity was the one that all good centres would have executed, sucked the defender in and fed Penny, taking the hit when Penny was on route to the tryline.

Nobody on this forum posts here claiming Penny to be anything other than what he is, a young lad who's working hard to improve areas of his game, all people like you & LWF can do is run him into the ground. Your that blinkered that you blame other peoples inadequesies on a lad who without any shadow of a doubt is working hard to improve.

such a debatable subject ! you could easily say the sky coverage showed Penny to be at fault with 2 of the tries one he was out of position came back from the sticks side of king and was therefore too late to impact gardner into touch, another you could say in attempting a one on one tackle you should always clamp the ball thus preventing the offload , Penny clearly had both arms round Gardners waist. Those that support or Choose to critisice are equally entitled to that opinion.
Penny burst onto the scene During an injury crisis and Gave his all,
he was refrshing, exciting, Passionate, and exactly what was needed at the time. Since then we have only really seen Glimpses of what he is capable of and more regularly seen what at present he is not good at.
Nobody can say he isn,t working hard to improve, that he isnt on a learning curve, its can we afford for him to be educated in first team games? As someone else stated earlier on this thread he seems somewhat
behind Riley in his development, this is due to the fact he had no developmnt in the amateur game from say the age of 8 learning the basic skills under the coaching of some excellent deadicated junior coaches
in the Town, then at scholarship level. Penny is an athlete that has become a Rugby league Player, Riley is a Rugby league Player.
Some of you more experienced posters on here really do need to have a good look at yourselves and the way you often berate those that have a different opinion, have you ever wondered why there doesnt seem to be many new posters appearing and when they do they often dont stay for long, perhaps thos great withe the statistics can tellme how many NEW posters we have welcomed in2009.

To be honest, I think the Penny debate could run until page 400 and we'd solve nothing. As speccies, we seem to have split into two groups where he is concerned, and I think it's that devisive to be honest, one camp are watching his performances and looking for mistakes, the others watching and looing for improvements in his game, and to if you like 'understand why things are happening' say. Last night, I thought Kings position was woeful, I thought Penny was stuck in the old 'rock & hard place' situation, and I bet if we watched the footage together, every error that you'd ping Penny for, I'd give you a reason for why I believed the error was attributed to King.

I've no problem with split opinion, what irritates me is when folk are so matter of fact about things on here, in this instance about Penny, you end up with statements like "We all know that his positioning is terrible, his running the ball out is awful, and his tackling, well ....". It's a far, far more complex debate than that, with many factors to throw into the mix, and no doubt we're missing some.

The way I see it, if the King/Penny partnership isn't working, which there's a feeling it isn't, folk seem inclined to pass Penny 80% of the blame for this, and 20% to King, and this is wrong. At worst it's 50/50. I think at times, his lack of physicality makes him easy pickings for folk to just make sweeping statemenst about him like 'he can't tackle' without looking at the progress he's made.