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| +89 points difference is going to be just as important
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| Green shoots as someone on Sky said in the analysis. Definitely not the finished article but with the right mindset we'd at least give someone a game in round one of the playoffs, I think? Not getting carried away though, taking into account all the factors today.
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| I thought we looked far more hungry, ruthless, cohesive and fluent than we have for several months. The sin-binning may have burst the dam but the pressure had been building for a while at that point.
Excellent performances by all the forwards gave Williams the platform and Ashton and Dufty gobbled up the service.
A good day at the office, and at the very least we agaon look a happy camp who believe they can still salvage something.
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| Quote ="fez1"Good analysis by the Sky team - particularly Wilkin and Jon Wells'"
After the game maybe, I thought before the game Wilkin was a joke, questioning Chambers comments about trying to make the players happy. Create a happy atmosphere you create positivity, you create a willingness to work together. Should we be in this position - especially after the start we had - no, but we are and Chambers is doing a pretty decent job (I think) in turning things round, playing a way the players seem comfortable with.
If I had to say one thing about Powells reign, I’m not sure the players were happy at any point of it, bar a few weeks at the start of the year. It matters.
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| Should've been 80+. The GF is ours
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| Quote ="Alffi_7"After the game maybe, I thought before the game Wilkin was a joke, questioning Chambers comments about trying to make the players happy. Create a happy atmosphere you create positivity, you create a willingness to work together. Should we be in this position - especially after the start we had - no, but we are and Chambers is doing a pretty decent job (I think) in turning things round, playing a way the players seem comfortable with.
If I had to say one thing about Powells reign, I’m not sure the players were happy at any point of it, bar a few weeks at the start of the year. It matters.'"
It’s Wilkin doing what Wilkin always does creating attention for himself. Every time he speaks I mute him. One time because I was bored I timed how much he talks compared to the other pundits and in true Phil Clarke mode nobody talks more than Wilkin.
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| If no injuries today same 17 next week again.
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| Quote ="karetaker"If no injuries today same 17 next week again.'"
Thewlis I think could miss out, seemed to be struggling. The rest seemed ok. Any further rests should be given vsHuddersfield, by that time we should know where we are 4th - 7th.
Be so good to keep Mikaele next year, as unlikely as it might seem I guess it depends if he can get a gig in the NRL and whether it can be made to work family wise.
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| Agreed about Mikaele.
Him and Vaughan as a combo are very good.
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| You can only beat what's in front of you, and we boosted our points difference. We could have been more clinical in our finishing in the first half, and we just backed ourselves individually a lot more in the second, probably as a consequence.
Those passes need to stick when we meet better sides. Other than that, happy days.
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| According to Saints fans Dufty is a poor man’s Quinlan and one of the worst ever SL signings. Their insular nature is world class. Welsby, who is undeniably superb, beats Dufty comfortably in try assists but other than that is slightly behind in most stats. 3 MOMs on the trot for Dufty, class act.
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| Dufty has been sensational since that phone call with Burgess.
Almost first name on the team sheet these days. Long may it continue.
Nice to have 2 fantastic props as well... the return of Mikaele has also seen the return of Vaughan to top form.
We're looking dangerous again... Nice to have a bit of momentum.
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| I did notice that Mata'utia was responsible for bundling Eden into touch three times in the competitive part of the game ... which is quite rare. Thewlis made the tackle then Mata'utia scooped him up & threw him over the touchline x3. Of course it meant we got the ball back.
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| We are probably not going to win the GF, but we will make the 6. And we will have nothing to lose. I'll guarantee you that saints or Wigan will not fancy playing us in a knockout game before old Trafford. COTW!
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"We are probably not going to win the GF, but we will make the 6. And we will have nothing to lose. I'll guarantee you that saints or Wigan will not fancy playing us in a knockout game before old Trafford. COTW!'"
The thing with Saints in playoff games is fans think they have won before we turn up.
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| a performance to build on. Should help with our confidence. Some shocking mistakes cost us at least a couple more tries.
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| Quote ="Oxford Exile"a performance to build on. Should help with our confidence. Some shocking mistakes cost us at least a couple more tries.'"
If we'd caught the passes for those 3 missed tries, we'd have scored 84!
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| We are playing a flatter game that has a trade off with errors vs chance..
Playing the sort of rugby we did under TS and Richard Marshall, with the exception of defence looking to have a bit more urgency and resilience.
Under TS it was always about out scoring the opposition as the best form of defence is attack.
Under Price, it was more about defence and safe attack to win the territory game and play the percentage of waiting for the opponent to make an error, not great to watch except against Saints, for some reason.
I’d say under Chambers/Marshall/Gleeson, we look to have some of both but in lessening amounts.
We have the best pack in the league in terms of size and depth, and seemingly with the greater attack of risk for reward, the props aren’t working so hard in defence and are looking stunning again in attack because of it, popping up with tries again against tired defenders.
What this team needed, and has responded too, is the pressure of competition. KR, Salford and Leeds, have us staring down the barrel of failure, it’s ignited them, I know it shouldn’t be so, but while sitting at the top of the league, and following on, continually holding a top 4 position regardless of defeat, seemed to give the team little sense of urgency.
Always said it that competition is healthy, my thought process being about players, however I never considered a tight league structure scenario as being the same competition being healthy, we’ve responded to it.
The players know one more loss and they are now going to be responsible for falling out of the six, that threat will hopefully stop them from falling in love with themselves like they did in March.
Could we seeing be seeing the same thing from Catalan? Falling in love with themselves and loosing their Mojo?
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| I think the wee switch Chambers has made, with Walker starting and Clark coming off the bench, is starting to work. Not because Walker is better, but because I think he is better at getting the little plays around the ruck going early and giving Vaughan and Mikaele good ball. While Clark's impact as fresh legs in the 2nd half was clear to see and completely beyond Cas's capability to handle.
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| Quote ="just_browny"I think the wee switch Chambers has made, with Walker starting and Clark coming off the bench, is starting to work. Not because Walker is better, but because I think he is better at getting the little plays around the ruck going early and giving Vaughan and Mikaele good ball. While Clark's impact as fresh legs in the 2nd half was clear to see and completely beyond Cas's capability to handle.'"
Said it several times, Clark takes weeks to get over the smallest of knocks. We should spell him to keep him fresh and wrap him up in cotton wool ahead of big games.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"We are playing a flatter game that has a trade off with errors vs chance..
Playing the sort of rugby we did under TS and Richard Marshall, with the exception of defence looking to have a bit more urgency and resilience.
Under TS it was always about out scoring the opposition as the best form of defence is attack.
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I’d say under Chambers/Marshall/Gleeson, we look to have some of both but in lessening amounts.
We have the best pack in the league in terms of size and depth, and seemingly with the greater attack of risk for reward, the props aren’t working so hard in defence and are looking stunning again in attack because of it, popping up with tries again against tired defenders.
What this team needed, and has responded too, is the pressure of competition. KR, Salford and Leeds, have us staring down the barrel of failure, it’s ignited them, I know it shouldn’t be so, but while sitting at the top of the league, and following on, continually holding a top 4 position regardless of defeat, seemed to give the team little sense of urgency.
Always said it that competition is healthy, my thought process being about players, however I never considered a tight league structure scenario as being the same competition being healthy, we’ve responded to it.
The players know one more loss and they are now going to be responsible for falling out of the six, that threat will hopefully stop them from falling in love with themselves like they did in March.
Could we seeing be seeing the same thing from Catalan? Falling in love with themselves and loosing their Mojo?'"
Good post
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| Quote ="ratticusfinch"According to Saints fans Dufty is a poor man’s Quinlan and one of the worst ever SL signings. Their insular nature is world class. Welsby, who is undeniably superb, beats Dufty comfortably in try assists but other than that is slightly behind in most stats. 3 MOMs on the trot for Dufty, class act.'"
It makes me wonder how Dufty looked like he wanted to play when he came over at the tail end of last season, then his form drooped of a cliff during this one, now he seems to be the quality player we hoped for in recent games.
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| Dufty will always be a bit hit or miss cos of the way he plays. He tries to take the ball at top pace which means he misses a few. Confidence is key & not getting rattled when he gets it wrong. Very exciting player & was surprised when some wanted him to be dropped a few weeks back.
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| Quote ="Smiffy27"Dufty will always be a bit hit or miss cos of the way he plays. He tries to take the ball at top pace which means he misses a few. Confidence is key & not getting rattled when he gets it wrong. Very exciting player & was surprised when some wanted him to be dropped a few weeks back.'"
Hopefully Gleeson in his stay with us can use Dufty to maximise his speed, acceleration and footwork
He should be devastating from scrum attack moves and needs to stay hidden behind the scrum, so that the opposition defence don`t know in advance which side he is going to run at.
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| Good win yesterday with a much needed boost for the points difference which will be critical come the 24th September.
It seems to me that we are actually playing as a team again under GC's guidance rather than a bunch of misfiring & rudderless individuals.
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