Not trolling. I was responding directly to you and your inane crap. In a genuine chat about the relative merits of two of this year's leading threats, all you're intent on doing is suggesting that Saints somehow 'swerved' Warrington and would have lost anyhow. Basically, schoolboy, immature nonsense. I simply pointed out that Warrington are nothing to a club of the stature of St Helens. You'd be as well throwing your inane rubbish at Castleford fans or another club at your kind of traditional level.

Just regarding an earlier post about Warrington's pack being so strong that all others appear weak. I've just read your likely team and it has Asotasi and England as half of your prop rotation. That won't be filling fear in the hearts of either Saints or Wigan.

You can't help yourself can you?



Saints did swerve us, no one in their right mind would've picked us ahead of Catalan cos we trounced you in your own backyard 3 weeks prior.

Also, considering you've only won two trophies in 7 years and we've won 4, I'd put us on at least level pegging. Other Saints fans can admit that, you just seem to have a personal vendetta against Wire.

vw don't bother yourself pal.
don't bow down to gypsy level.

Seven years ?!?! You're putting Warrington level pegging with St Helens because of the last seven years ?!?! Are you a delinquent ?

Here's a history lesson. Saints won the championship more times between 1999 and 2006 than Warrington have in their entire history. During your glory period of the 1950's, St Helens won as many championships as you did. In our barren spell between 2007 and now (the last seven years as you declare), we won more championships than Warrington have done in the last 59 years. You've got a decent record in the cup now after your little run recently, prior to that you'd won the cup the same amount of times as Halifax and Wakefield.

You're a plucky club slowly gaining some relevancy back in the upper regions of British RL. Leeds, Wigan and St Helens you are not.

That's all I'll say as this is going off topic. I think you've got a decent shot at winning your first title in 60 years in 2015. Would I back you ? No, I don't think I would. I'd still put Saints and Wigan ahead of you.

Bring on the scousers!

True true rd. Especially one who's only popped up since his team crept out of insignificance.

instead of giving out history lessons try giving out your predictions!!!!!!! It's not hard is it??

its gonna be between sts wigan and wire for gf cc and lls..leeds wont be far off but wont win owt...

Don't bother pal, it's a lost cause.

It's a fair point you make. I would suggest caution though as Bradford were pretty decent in the 1999 - 2006 period and their fall from the upper regions of British RL was clear to see. Not suggesting this will happen to Saints but it goes to show that nothing is forever. Warrington are now a force in SL I think we can all agree but you are right it will take a long time for us to build a heritage.

Saints took Warrington seriously last season.

LLS - Wire
CC - Wire
GF - Catalan

I take it self entitlement was drummed into you, from an early age.
Obviously the entire 80's to the mid 90's passed you by, in terms of expectancy and attainment.

Personally, I couldn't give two stiff ones if Warrington never rise to such a position (I watch rugby to be entertained.....winning trophies is a fantastic bonus). I just pray that I never "rise" to your level of self entitlement and all round gob3dness, should Warrington ever dare to win a GF, or Godforbid, two or three.

We'll just retreat into your shadow.

Scousers, eh?

Lls Wire
Cc Salford
Gf Wire

LLS - The Deviloution
CC - Manchester Red Devils
GF - Salford

LLS Wire
CC Saints
GF Wigan

It's a shame you've said this as i've always associated this kind of outlook with a lot of Wigan fans (no offence to the decent Wigners) and not really fans of other clubs so much. Saints are a club i've admired in the SL era for the way you played rugby. I enjoyed watching you, apart from all those times you beat us! And you are one of the most successful clubs in the sport. But you really fall down with a load of that absolute garbage you spout.

So while we're at it with the history lesson...What is Saints traditional/historic level? Swinton and Oldham were once a premier club in our sport. Both won a great deal more trophies than you did for the first 60-70 years of the existence of competition in this sport. As did Wire! So is Saints' traditional level just a level of club that wins nowt? If there was a RLFANS.com between the wars you'd probably have fans of either of those clubs saying things like "haha, Saint Helens...they're a joke...they've won naff all compared to us, they'll never attain such prestige as our club". Both had won three championships and three challenge cups at a time when your trophy haul for those two main trophies reckoned up to a big fat '0'. At a time Wire had won a lot more than you as well!

You were, for a huge proportion of time in this sport, serially winning absolutely nothing, merely a raindrop on Swinton and Oldham's and even little old Wire's window. But where are Swinton and Oldham now? Things change and maybe one day soon Saint Helens will fall back to being the club you were for decade after decade in the many decades right up to the 1950s and maybe Swinton and Oldham will usurp you back to being far better and successful rugby league clubs than you like they were for a long long time, eh?

As your club has shown it doesn't take much to go from absolute nobodies to being one of the most successful clubs in the sport so don't be at it with the "Warrington, sadly, will never attain such prestige" garbage. Because it can easily turn around. Just like looking at our fortunes in recent decades (where we still won more than you did before 1950), and the way Swinton and Oldham have just disappeared from competing, not just for titles, but also in the top leagues.

.....and lets not forget, unlike us, Saints know what is like to experience promotion!

Saints didn't swerve Warrington. They picked the lowest ranked team as every team who ever had Club Call did with one notable exception when Warrington swerved Leeds. The swerve paid off for us when we duly beat Huddersfield so that was fine, although obviously we still couldn't finish the job.

Calling Saints Scousers is just silly because they're no more Scouse than Warringtonians are. Basically, grow up.

In case anyone asks me to get on topic and make my predictions, then I have no idea who is going to win the three trophies but I agree with those who say Saints, Wigan and ourselves should be the three in the mix. I'd happily sacrifice the LLS and CC right now in exchange for a Grand Final win. In fact personally I'd sacrifice the next ten years worth of trophies in exchange for one solitary Grand Final win, but that might just be me.

I think we all want that Grand Final Win mate..!

Calm down, calm down!

LLS, CC, GF, WCC, RUWC, FIFA WC, UEFA CUP, Champions League, NBA championship, Superbowl, the lot.

Aye, Ben Flower did.

Bit rich coming from someone who told another poster they need to get on an exercise bike simply because they wear a +XL shirt.

I believe this year will be our year to win the Grand Final. See, how's that from the King of Pessimism.

As for the League Leaders Shield, I can see Saints finishing top this year. And the Challenge Cup; well, I'm going to put a bit of swerve on it and say Huddersfield may just surprise a few people.