Austin was good? You’re having a laugh Widdop was the only one with the Nowse to grubber it in goal Austins head went in another big game for us

Really Mrs Widdop, what you doing for Gareth's tea tonight?

Austin did make some dodgy decisions but you have to be in the game to try and win it and Widdop was a passenger, in a game that was crying out for his experience and.game management. How about trying to catch a kick off with the ball 10 inches over tour head in a.monsoon? THAT was the game changing moment.

I have been firmly in the price out camp before but to suggest that his head should roll if we don't win the grand final now is laughable. We have been brilliant since the restart aside from a couple of games, the conditions today were awful and we slost by 2 points, yes it's incredibly disappointing and we lost narrowly with a team of kids midweek. We have no divine right to win the grand final it's the performances that are important because thats what gives us a chance and belief, recently the performances have been good. It's too early to get the pitchforks out yet IMO.

I said midweek. Momentum is sometimes more important than freshness and I think that's been the case this week especially with the manner of their midweek win.

Congratulations to Salford, they were always chasing the game, never gave up and didn't resort to panic rugby when ten points behind.

Really Mrs Widdop, what you doing for Gareth's tea tonight?

Austin did make some dodgy decisions but you have to be in the game to try and win it and Widdop was a passenger, in a game that was crying out for his experience and.game management. How about trying to catch a kick off with the ball 10 inches over tour head in a.monsoon? THAT was the game changing moment.

Price was hired to win us the big one. He’s won us a Challenge Cup and has coached us to play some good rugby. He’s had a few goes at it and hasn’t brought it in yet. If he doesn’t, what’s the harm in looking around?

I think he can do it and I do think he will. But if he can’t, I can’t understand why we’d keep him.

Team selection way off the mark, was rather arrogant fielding another half at lose forward for starters given the torrential conditions. Starting Ashton in such a big game is far to much of a risk to take, as he’s still raw and learning his trade in the side. We should be slowly blooding Ashton into the side not being selected over Ratchford, who brings a lot more from FB from an overall team perspective.

Far to many errors from the backs, Ashton, Widdop, Gelling, Austin. We don’t need to be taking high risk plays just play the percentage in those conditions & play for field position. We became nervous and didn’t look settled at all throughout that game.

Hasn’t Price and the coaching staff learned anything from wet weather Grand Final appearances already? Mind boggles..

In terms of Price, yes we have been playing well since reatart and yes we narrowly got beat today and it could have gone either way.

But it's taken him two years to get the team playing with any flair and the squad is an [iembarassment[/i of riches, and embarassment is the key word - I actually look at our squad and squirm in disbelief at some performances and our inability to win the big one.

Cooper, Hill, Ratchford, Austin & Clarke won't be around forever and in some cases will be past their peak relatively soon.

Yes, given the squad, if we fail to win the GF we only need to make one signing next year, and that's Ian Watson.

We, as a club, have never been ruthless enough with our coaches. Too much acceptance of failure.

I do want Price to win us this year's title. However, if he doesn't, then I think 3 years is ample time and we should take decisive action and bring in someone else.

Absolutely. How long do we wait otherwise?

The difference with Saints and Wigan is they have that killer instinct that we seem to lack.

Especially when you have the likes of Wilkin going on about the money Warrington have got, seems we can’t even buy a Grand Final win

Just poor all round, speed counts for nothing in this weather, Ashton has speed and that's about it. Today was a forwards game. I would leave Ashton out rather than moving Ratchford from his best postion. Ratch had a great game at 13 so why Trial Austin there. Price just doesn't have the killer blow in him for me, he can do a lot with a team but not enough.
Some weird comments on here taking aim at Gelling saying he was awful and ineffective, take out the favoritism and take off the rose tinted specs and you'll see he did a hell of a lot of hard work today. Took in shed loads of drives and helped out the forwards.
Daryl Clark was none existant, Mamo, Charnley, Widdop and Ashton were none existant and ineffective, but yeah lets pin point Gelling who worked is butt off today.

It's likely because he got driven back a lot but with nobody behind helping him out I'm not sure what else is expected in slippery conditions. I agree, Gelling did a shift.

No rose tinted glasses, his defence today wasnt up to it. I'm not just talking about the try we conceded where 6ft plus Gelling watched someone else jump for the high ball. Watch his first contact and positional play. He looked out of sorts today to me

Got what we deserved..... #### all
Poor team selection
Too many off key performances
Rudderless in the middle, and, I don't know about a [iplan b[/i, we didn't even have a [iplan a[/i.
Complacency from too many players. I saw more commitment from a group of youngsters on Tuesday night, than a team of internationals/MoS/NRL/marquee signings.

Now is when you earn your money, Price. Not an 8 /9 game mid season run. Let's not kid ourselves, bar a hard fought cup win against the plastic scousers, that run was made against mid table fodder, some of them scraped wins. Between 2010 and 2013, we were perceived as [iflat track bullies[/i. We weren't. We were just better than the rest, but couldn't get the GF win.
Now, we're on a 2 game losing run.

The ball is in your court, Price.

Personally, I don't think Gelling played well, not the only one though. The non existent jump and a few iffy defensive calls. Did well bringing the ball out from our 20 though.

Clark had eff all to work from, which is to be expected in those conditions. Which leads back to team selection. Ashton on the bench at best and Ratchford at full back. Start Jason Clark (not everyone's cup of tea but I like him). Maybe Matt Davis on the bench I. Place of walker.

Best team won though at the end of the day

I am happy for Salford. Just an absolute shame that they will not be able to cash in on the Wembley merchandising payday as much as they would have.
I hope that they can keep hold of Watson and start to build bigger crowds and sponsorship revenue building on the GF and a CC final appearance.
I never have a problem with the officiating as I believe you make your own luck.
I just hope we learn from this as to how to play those conditions like Leeds did as we will have to if we are to challenge over the next 7/8 weeks.

What has Walker done that people seem so keen to ditch him from the 17? The unpalatable truth is he did more in ten minutes than Daryl Clarke did all game and in those conditions should have been on earlier - he also has a better kicking game than Clarke which would have been useful.

Too often Price is guilty of subs by numbers. J Clarke had his usual bland cameo today, yet Matt Davis is in great form and was nowhere to be seen. Similarly, BMM was pummeling their line and got hauled off - what is he, the proxy Akuola?

Wet weather is a great leveller, it disadvantages the runners and play makers and rewards the big forwards. Our game seems to have evolved very much into fast rugby with lots of offloads, breaks, and tries scored from well down the field. Salford rely on forwards scoring from the 10m line, kick throughs and long kicks to the corner. Even their winger Rhys Williams has been converted into a forward and the only time he got the ball in space he looked woefully slow. By and large this season has done us a favour because games are much faster and scrums of course are non existent. In a normal season we would be back to talking about the need for a couple of big forwards.

As well as (or perhaps because of) the conditions we made a lot of errors, some of which were pretty basic stuff. As previously predicted, Ashton had a bad day and invited the kick through for one of their tries. On the plus side we took the two points that were on offer and in the first half pinned them in their own half for good long periods (which I would guess to be our tactics surely ?) Unfortunately after that we seemed to lose the plot whilst Salford simply ground on and never gave up.

Well done Salford, but I don't think we need to start making a noose from the light flex just yet.

Agree Salford deserved it. We were soft in defence.

Hill was immense as you say. Best game for us for a long time.

Also thought Hughes was good.

2 players playing well - we didn't deserve to win.

Yeah I hope that's the Chris Hill we are going to get for the rest of his career with us. It's definitely the best version of him, can't fault him today.

I think more than 2 played well but overall we didn't turn the ball over on our terms often enough and made poor options too often when we did finish sets. We didn't get to grip with the conditions for the full 80, we were good in spells but awful in others. The tries they scored will haunt some of our lads.

Well if we've now decided that the Wire of 2020 are the Harlem Globetrotters (copyright Tony Barrow) and can't play in wet weather, I guess I'll either resign myself to never seeing a GF win or campaigning for the final to be in August.

Fact : two teams coped with the conditions better than their opponents and they are both contesting the final. One of them played remarkably error free football and it is perhaps not suprising that team has also previously enjoyed GF success in typically English autumnal weather.

Just hypothetical to prove a point...
If you put BBM back into the starting 13, switching him with (loose forward) Austin, for starting 13 balance....
You see that we technically had only one lightweight prop/backrower Philbin and a backrower Jace interchange of forwards on the bench, plus Walker, who carry’s no weight.

A terrible terrible team selection, breaks the first rule of RL, twice!!

I’d have had no issue with Price puzzling 13 with Ashton and Austin, if we’d have gone with an forward bench, regardless of favour. BMM Latu Jace Davis (Akouala)

Philbin who I rate really highly got absolutely mullered when he came on, There is 0 excuse now for price I would’ve loved to retain the cup but there is no get out from
him now,he has been out coached by Watson on 5 occasions and he is probably spending more than a million in cap more than him let’s see what the rest of the year brings.

Sensible analysis. We played the conditions for about 30 of the 80 minutes. In the other 50 we were impatient and over-optimistic. This is disappointing as both Wire and Salford had seen the way Leeds handled the weather and it seems that Salford payed closer attention. This is down to execution by the players and not to coaching. We will need to be much smarter from this lesson as October is the 2nd rainiest month in the UK (after January) so we may see more of these conditions in other vital matches.