You can post what you like, it's a free public board. It's just a little tiresome reading the exact same thing for years. You've been confidently predicting we will win every game easily and also sweep the board when it comes to trophies for as long as I can remember. So you're either delusional or looking for attention.

Of course you should have beaten us, Walmsley Paasi, Wingfield, Norman, Delaney, Hopoate and Hurrell missing would be enough to incapacitate most teams. Couple it with Sironen, Makinson and Knowles playing injured any team wanting to be taken seriously in the competition should have seen the obvious Saints tactic of getting ahead and then clinging on. We had Royle at prop for christs sake.

But Saints did what they have done for decades, found a way to win, and Warrington did what they did for decades, found a way to lose. Until you address such a fundamental culture issue, you can have as much improvement in you as you like, it wouldn’t change the result.

Also I don’t understand the ref calling; what precisely did he get wrong? From about 20 minutes onwards you got about 10 penalties/ back to 6s to our 1. The breaking at the scrum penalty really annoyed me as Warrington had been doing it all game.

Well let’s hope for your sake we don’t finish 6th and play you in the play offs or we’ll do what we always do and win and Saints will do what they always do and cack it against us.

I think quite a few teams must have raised their game against us this year ,or are we just crap ?

Since starting watching in the 60s the Wire rollercoaster has given us plenty of practice at being gallant losers . But would you watch any other team ?

In a nutshell - We are an 'also ran', mid table SL show pony with delusions of competing at the top with players who we, and they, think are better than they are.

More like Saints always win the Grand Final and we always cack it in the first round of the playoffs.

Basically sums up my view on Wire since 2019.

Not when Saints have to play Wire in a play off.
Waterhouse and Lineham.
I don’t fear Saints away from the HJ in a big game.

that's because you're not all there... not because this Warrington side is any good.

Come on give him a break. Tyson Fury as been in the limelight more than him lately

If we are a mid table team, which other team(bar the obvious 3!!

)has achieved more than us in the last 15 years?

1 CC win in the last decade. I don't count losing in finals as an achievement.

If we just look at the last 5 years, we are certainly mid-table, at best. Last 15, we are probably the 4th best (statistically almost certainly).

Life is a tragedy when seen in close up and a comedy in long shot.

Moe reminded me that we were not always cack also rans.

12 years ago we had this side that had just hammered Huddersfield 47-0 in the home playoff having won our first LLS.



What a side that was. I shudder to think the score that team would put on the current one.

Brett HODGSON
Joel MONAGHAN
Matt KING
Ryan ATKINS
Chris RILEY

Lee BRIERS
Richard MYLER

Adrian MORLEY
Michael MONAGHAN
Garreth CARVELL
Louis ANDERSON
Simon GRIX
Chris BRIDGE

Jon CLARKE
Ben HARRISON
Mike COOPER
David SOLOMONA

Which player in today's team would get in that side?

In football terms, we're Spurs.

Ashton for Riley possibly
Williams for Myler
Vaughan for the Cooper of that time.

How many of current St Helens team would get in it?

We also had Westwood to come into that side. And the following year we added Chris Hill and Trent Waterhouse. How the hell did we not win it?!

Makinson & Percival walk into the backs, Lomax or Welsby for Myler, Walmsley probably as good as any of those props, Batchelor or Matautia get into that second row and I'd have Knowles definitely over Bridge at 13, though I think it's fair to say Bridge wasn't a 13 anyway.

Percival gets in ahead of Atkins or king? Not a chance!

And Batchelor gets nowhere near that second row.

Close one, but I'd have him ahead of Atkins.

I like Batchelor. Good, solid player. Again, it's close with Grix, who was similarly solid.

That team list is making me dewy eyed simply due to the fact that Ratchford isn’t on it.