Hardly been ravaged by injury down the years though, has he? Been a regular and quite injury free until this serious knee injury if I remember rightly? The likes of Harrison, Dodds and Wheeler are on another level.

Looking at it in some cold hard terms, the only people I would 100% keep in terms of quality, are Russell, Atkins, Sandow, Hill, Westwood and Westerman.

Evans is an absolute rock and I don't think we'd replace him with anyone nearly as defensively sound. But he offers nothing in attack.
Ratchford has been here 4-5 years now and we still don't have his spot nailed down, I don't see him flourish in any one spot, so while he offers utility, I don't care if he goes.
Penny is a brilliant attack threat and he will finish everything he's given, but he is prone to brainfarts and mistakes which leave me slightly iffy.
Gidley seemed to be great early on but last night proved to me he's not quite got it now. There were a couple times all he had to do was fire out a miss man pass and Lineham was in, he failed to see it.
Sims is a fantastic motivator from what I've seen, and he offers offloads, but he couldn't punch holes in a piece of paper, he runs in and crumples at the slightest touch.
Hughes is like Evans, solid as a rock defensively but offers up ziltch in attack, you can't have a second row that doesn't offer lines.
Lineham's attitude seems to be back but if he lost it so readily here, it could happen again and I don't want a guy who isn't willing 100% of the time.

The rest are all just too young for me to really make a solid evaluation of their impact on future squads. George and Toby are prospects, as is Patton. Wilde needs a lot more steel in him if he's going to make it.

Not sure if I missed anyone of note.

Is Wheeler still here and is so why? I might be one of a few but think that there needs to be a little sentiment in sport the likes of Harrison should be given an opportunity to recover and if his Wire career is over it should be effected with a bit of class and full recognition of the hard yards he's made for us. Looking after people engenders team spirit, you might also be less motivated to run through the proverbial brick wall if you got hurt and carted off to the scrapyard at the first sign of in need of running repairs

Wheeler on the other hand......sorry not our problem and yes it was a gamble and he's being paid in chip butties or whatever

Finished top of the league, won the shield, came 2nd in both cup finals (and with a bit of luck could have won one or both) boy, some of you lot are pretty hard to please

The injury to Dodds legs had nothing to do with previous injuries to his knees or anywhere else. It was an horrific accident that I don't care to see again.

The shield is not coveted. It's a nice to have, an icing on the cake. The big prize we all want is to be crowned Super League champions and I cannot see we will have a better chance than this year.

Our expectation is in proportion to the resources, wealth and stature of the club post 2009, not post 1979.

Wigan will be better next year, we will need to be too.

I don't think Wilde or Westwood are the answer to be playing second row for the first 5 months of the season. I think we need to bring someone in...

Still doesn't stop the unbiased (Apparently) Sky team calling us bottlers and fans of every team in the league taking the Pi$$ out of us on social media..

I'm with you and we could have as easily have won the treble

You mean SHOULD have easily won the treble....but didn't

Another way of looking at it though is that if Hull could've refocused after their Wembley win then they could've had the LLS and Warrington could've ended up with no trophies.

Yeah, right! And how many of them finished above you in the league, got to the Grand Final, and reached Wembley?! I reckon fans of nine of those SL teams would have swapped places with you!

More people watched Warrington play live than any other club. At a rough guess I would say about 500,000

Warrington was the only team to play in every round of games and was Leeds last year....but the difference between the two is stark!

Aye but we didn't did we. Ifs, buts and maybes.

Really interesting, where did you get the info?

30 games @ 10,000 roughly 300,000
Wembley 70,000
Old Trafford 70,000
challenge cup games & pre season 30,000

BBW you can -29 from the 300,000. As I went to each of those games. Your counting me 30 times, also -1 from Wembley, -1 for GF and I think -5 for CC rounds and friendlies.
I can't possibly comment about each and everyone else though.

Oh go on then, I'll join in. I could name Darcy Bussell (what a gorgeous lady, I never knew watching Judge Rinder ballroom dancing had such benefits) at stand-off for all the difference it would make, TS probably knows his starting 17 for 2017 already, but here goes.

Ratchford
Lineham
ANO
T.King
ANO
Gidley
Sandow
Hill
Clarke
Cooper
Hughes
Westwood
Westerman

Sims
Dwyer
Harrison/G.King
Another prop, preferably the kind that eats raw meat and bays at the window on a full moon

Patton will get plenty of game time should we choose to rest Gidley, Clarke or Sandow but isn't yet ready to be starting HB.

1 Russell
2. Atkins
3. New player
4 new player
5. Lineham
6. Patton
7. Sandow
8. Hill
9. Clarke
10 . Cooper
11. Currie
12. Westwood
13. Hughes
Subs
Sims
New prop
Dwyer
Ratchford

Mine using present personnel and new

1 Gidley
2 Lineham
3 Evans or A.Another
4 Blythe
5 Atkins
6 Ratchford
7 Sandow
8 Hill
9 Clark
10 Cooper
11 Westwood unless Currie returns
12 Hughes
13 Westerman

14 Dodds
15 Dwyer
16 Sims
17 Crosby

Aaah lovely, a bit of wry humour to end a difficult weekend, that brought a smile to my face.

Hang on, sorry, it was intended as a joke wasn't it?

Lol no. Atkins knows where the line is, he doesn't know where his winger is, I figure factor out the issues in his game and what your left with is what you have. A finisher.

Ahh, ok. I see. Far be it from me to cast doubt on your selection, but wouldn't you find it a concern that your three-quarter line would still be making their way back to the dressing room after the warm-up, long after the match had concluded and the stadium lights were off?

If Blythe is a starting centre we might as well write off next year.