I was asked last night which players I would clear out I took a deep breath and said

Wheeler, Russell, Laithwaite, Harrison, Atkins, Asotasi, Ben Evans, and Ben Currie.

Wheeler is just not up to a physical sport
Matty Russel is not as good as Mathers and We improved on Mathers
Laithwaite I do Like him, he does nothing wrong but that's not enough...he's no Louis Anderson.
Harrison his knees are shot, and he no longer has an offload to his game.
Atkins sad sad decline.....
Asotasi the worst ever.....I wish he would off I don't know enough swear words to describe his contribution to this club.
Evans.. never really strung any appearances together. shame about his injury, he's not better than Mike Cooper.
Ben Currie for the wedge he is on, if he thinks one nice pass a game cuts it well it doesn't and I've upset people before with my views on his inability to "put his hand up"..... he's no Solomona.

we have a lot of average players one absolute garbage player and we have some good players that cant be d I'd rather they weren't at our club anymore thanks....

Can't really argue with that Flying Biscuit

Performance out :
Asotasi

SL top level struggle out :
GOB
Russell

SL performance good but wanting in key areas out :
Myler (kicking/square peg in a round hole)
Atkins (passing/positional)

SL performance good but salary cap liabilities out :
Grix
Wheeler
Harrison

Last chance saloon keep from above :
Atkins (backrow)

Yes we will finish in the top 4, all these comments are all if's and maybe's, lets turn it on its head and say that we cant be this bad all season, so when Atkins, Bridge, Myler, Hill, Joel, ect all hit form we will be unstoppable, and they will at sometime during the season. We have played crap all season and are still a few points of 4th spot, players have not yet hit form, everyone (including me) bought into the "every second counts" but lets be realistic it doesn't. Tony Smith and the Warrington management including Agar. have planned the season on when they need to peak and when they don't and they know that some games have gone wrong some have gone right, but we are in good shape ready for the peak and the upturn in performance.
As with the last few seasons you do not need to raise your game for every match, only the ones that count. They will come good trust me!!

We have THREE home games left Catalan Wigan and Saints..... all three teams have put thirty points or more on us in the away fixture this season.

We have to go to Salford, Hull KR, Cas, and Huddersfield which wont be easy. Plus Saints in the magic weekend. So apart from Wakey away I'm not seeing many easy two points in those [ufew[/u remaining games.

I don't see a side capable of getting into the top four, I see a side just about dragging its smacked backside in to the eight. And as we carry the points we have over into the super 8's, we'll be in a difficult position to try and get anywhere in the playoffs...

having never strung more than two wins together, to expect us to suddenly go on a nine match winning run and steam in to the top four and off to old Trafford is beyond funny.....

the ones that can go for me are russell asotas obrien wheeler atkins...

Not a pop at you, marshman, but this kind of attitude in modern day sport absolutely stinks, for the following reasons

a) this is now an entertainment business.
If people are turning up to see their team lose, they're going to get peed off, pretty quickly. To not even get 10,000 for a home game, against a team that brought about 1000-1500 specs (so THEY'VE travelled in decent numbers), it's not a week night, it wasn't raining, and it wasn't televised is poor. We've lost on the back of it. I can't see a scramble for future games.

which links into

b) punters are paying up to nearly £30 for a game/£X00's for a season ticket. They need to be kept interested/incentivised to come again

c) Players must raise their game for every match. It's call professionalism, and having a bit of pride in yourself

d) I didn't know we had Mystic Meg on our payroll. Players knowing when to raise their games, so we automatically get 2 points. Well that theory worked well against Wigan, Saints and St George, didn't it? We got loads of match winning points/players bonuses on those nights, eh chaps. Lets get the 2 points every time we leave the dressing room

Can I remind us all, we've already lost at home to Cas, Hudds and Hull, and struggled/stuttered to wins against HKR and the Smellies. Not exactly making the rest of SL change their underwear, are we?

3-4 years ago, we were demolishing these sides, with near "cricket scores" against them.
These days, specs are turning up wondering if we'll even win.

I say players and management need to start custard smelling, and treat each game as a must win, not "well, we'll give it a go, c'est la vie, if we lose"

Involvement in sport must come with a burning desire to win every time the arena is entered, anything else is unacceptable and is not sport but a pastime.

If the status quo continues Mr Moran (from a business perspective) would be better off folding the club flattening the stadium and renting the space to Tesco as the returns would be better with a lot less hassle. Since we filled in the corners have we completely sold out (I don't recall we have)?

Thankfully he is a supporter, as such he is do doubt looking at what is happening like the rest of us. If we can all see that the team personnel are slipping to levels of competence we had prior to 2009, so can he, we can see that the coach is not making the right decisions as the results show, so can he, we can see the crowd is diminishing weekly, so can he.

I have a family member who works with the back room staff and the stories are incredible.

This club is now on a decline that if it isn't checked will fall into the pit of despair. The new CEO and Mr Moran have got more than their hands full. Start by improving the on field desire and capabilities and the rest will follow.

I think you're all forgetting there's still 7 games after the split..

Every one of those games are 4 pointers. Say Huddersfield finish 4th and get Catalan away (7th), Saints away (3rd), and Wigan away (2nd). That's quite reasonable to assume 3 losses.

Meanwhile we have Leeds away, Huddersfield away, Wigan away, FC away. We can win a few of those, with the Hudds game being the key.

All of this assuming we stay 5th up to the split. But my point is a team could finish 8th at the regular season end and still make top 4 by the end of the Super 8 if results are favourable. Rather ironically, the time you want to hit form is during that Super 8 - not during the regular season.

Care to share?

So after giving me chapter and verse about rumours you have suddenly developed a thirst for more!

Where on earth have I previously given you, or anyone, "chapter and verse" about rumours? I think you are mistaking me for someone else. I now regret commenting on a thread in which you are active.

This is not entirely true as your seasons points are carried forward so if you are in 8th and 10 points behind 4th you are relying on other teams to fair pretty badly to get in the 4th spot. You need to be within a couple of points of 4th to get into the semi final in my opinion.

Mick Higham thread. Making up stupid rumours.
Perhaps not quite chapter and verse, bit of an exaggerated term on my behalf, if that offends then I offer my apologies.
You did however make a broad accusation that a rumour is stupid and a lie, and then try to give reason as to half a rumour is okay because it is verified but the half that cannot be verified in not.

live and learn

Far be it from me to intervene and I know that I must be potty, but, having taken the trouble to re read the Higham thread, I think that the Duck has got his 71's mixed up with his RL's, not that that is a real excuse btw

Either way Wire71 I apologise.
It's only banter and nothing is ever meant personal from me.
Personally I like the rumour threads best and although many rip the posters for revealing them, I think secretly the purest like them too.
We'll they always seem to make a bee line to be the first to reply with negativity.

Makes a nice change reading about what talent we may get as opposed to constantly reading about our current players getting slagged off.

I've had many a ding dong banter battles off a couple of guys on this thread. I respect them both.

in all seriousness do you believe we can win a GrandFinal in the next say 5 years?

A wise person once told me this.




- Grab a plate and throw it on the floor.
- Okay,done.
- Did it break?
- Yes.
- Now, say sorry to it.
- Sorry.
- Did it go back to how it was before?
- No.
- Do you understand?

This is quite amusing.

Although I imagine it is going right over the head of one of the protagonists.

What's the price of bacon??

Spot on. Far too much bloody negativity on here, yes we are currently outside the top 4 but will be there by the end of the regular rounds / middles 8s. Of course we are not where we want to be right now but over the duration of the comp results and levels of consistency will improve I have no doubt.

I can sum this season up in one sentence..

We are not as good as we thought we were.

This isn't one of your most dynamic posts rd. what we have shown is that we haven't consistently reached the standards we are capable of ( 2 wins vs best team in comp). Tony will sort this out and I am 100% confident we will be in top 4 at end of season. From there 2 wins away from a grand final title