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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"I've never known the gutting feeling of losing a big name player, if only i could have grown up watching Gregory at Central Park or Sculthorpe at Knowsley Road or even a player like Harris at Headingley.
The fact is it happens and Myler if he goes to Aus wouldn't bother me, in fact i'd be happy for him as i would anyone who had a dream to play there.
My beef with Offiah is basically he's a muppet that seems to have become a voice for our game, yet shows no love for it, he gives with one hand and scoops it away with his hand on a joystick of a JCB with the other.
His knowledge of the game all considering is poor and listening to him on Sky and Talksport is embarrassing.
I hate the guy and have for a long time, that he is the agent of a player i admire is just an unfortunate coincidence.'"
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| Quote ="LoyalFan"We know it wasn't an illegal approach. Salford offered Myler a good deal... possibly the best we have ever offered a young player. He was urged by Offiah to move to Warrington... that way... Offiah gets a bigger wedge. As his agent, he's only interested in what he can get out of the deal... not what his player gets. The better deal for Offiah was to shift him to Warrington. It was his tactics that he used which were a kick in the doo-dahs.... He will do this again... so the point is that Warrington shouldn't come along crying that they are hard done to... when they were happy to get the smooth side of the Myler deal... and are now likely to get the rough end should he move on.
Salford have always needed money... but we offered him a deal that was large enough to suggest that money wasn't the issue here. As Salford fans, we still don't know what happened to the Myler money, and it's become a bit of a joke around our parts.... So to say it saved us is something that even we don't know... so I'm not sure how you make that assumption.'"
You really are a very bitter little man. Have you never thought that Myler might want to move to Warrington to have a chance of winning something? Who, from Warrington, is saying that we're hard done to? No-one on here and no-one at the Club. This is a thread created by some anonymous person tweeting a rumour that he's probably created himself, so why even discuss it at this stage?
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| Me an anonymous person, rumour created by me ?
No to both counts, as was mentioned it was tweeted by a usually good and correct source in Aus that Myler is looking for a club there.
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| Quote ="Teessidewire"You really are a very bitter little man. Have you never thought that Myler might want to move to Warrington to have a chance of winning something? Who, from Warrington, is saying that we're hard done to? No-one on here and no-one at the Club. This is a thread created by some anonymous person tweeting a rumour that he's probably created himself, so why even discuss it at this stage?'"
No bitterness from me Pal... Of course I thought Myler could want to move to win something... I have no issue with a player moving for ambition, but it never felt like that. This always felt like it was for the benefit of the agent rather than the player. He pushed and pushed to get that move through... and belittled any offer Salford put on the table... Why ? Because he knew where he would get the better cut. That's the business he is in. I accept that Warrington is a more appealing proposition than Salford when it comes to winning things... That's where the money was.... and Martin knew it.
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| Quote ="LoyalFan"This always felt like it was for the benefit of the agent rather than the player. He pushed and pushed to get that move through... and belittled any offer Salford put on the table... Why ? Because he knew where he would get the better cut. That's the business he is in. I accept that Warrington is a more appealing proposition than Salford when it comes to winning things... That's where the money was.... and Martin knew it.'"
You can't make that assumption any more than we can about the £250k saving your club from oblivion.
As for people moving for money/agents forcing them.
Get used to it...there's...going to be....8 players...joining your club...for that reason only............next seas......on.
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| Quote ="LoyalFan"No bitterness from me Pal... Of course I thought Myler could want to move to win something... I have no issue with a player moving for ambition, but it never felt like that. This always felt like it was for the benefit of the agent rather than the player. He pushed and pushed to get that move through... and belittled any offer Salford put on the table... Why ? Because he knew where he would get the better cut. That's the business he is in. I accept that Warrington is a more appealing proposition than Salford when it comes to winning things... That's where the money was.... and Martin knew it.'"
Unfortunately, that's the nature of agents, they are in it to make money. I haven't the faintest idea as to how moral / immoral this one is, but providing he remains within the 'law' there is not much Salford or Wire can do about it. Ratchford has quietly signed a contract extension with us this year and I wouldn't mind betting that the club are talking to Myler with the same intention. If I were Myler I would be interested to hear what an Oz club would be prepared to offer - it makes sense to look at your options before signing with anyone.
Finally, reading the posts, I think most Wire supporters on here have been fairly philosophical about losing him. He would be a big loss, but these things happen and you have to move on. It might be a reason that there are rumours circulating about Wire and Brierley.
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| Quote ="LoyalFan"Most Warrington fans seemed happy enough when he touted Myler to Warrington while he was still a Salford player under contract. He did everything he could to get Myler away from Salford to Warringon. Yes I understand that we couldn't have kept Myler at Salford, but his tactics and approach to how he worked were selfish and tactless. Warrington were happy to allow him to work like this... And we lost out because of it. Personally... I'd love to see the Warrington club get exploited in the same spineless way that Salford were... Because it doesn't feel very nice when you know you haven't got a chance of keeping a top player due to Martins greedy tactics. If he sees a way of getting his cut... He will go for the throat... I really Warrington lose out on this because maybe next time you won't be so happy to sign a player this way.'"
As has been pointed out by others, 'what goes around comes around'. We know you have an irrational hatred of Warrington but your sadly vitriolic outpouring of ill-will fails to take into account the fact that we suffered the loss of lots of players in this way - from Andy Gregory through Brian Case and Ian Potter through to 80s megastars Sculthorpe and Harris, just to name a few. Now that the Koucash cash is with the Red Devils no doubt you'll be dishing out similar 'hurt' to other clubs.
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| Neil Courtney leaving for Central Park was far worse for me than Case or Potter. Harris' departure was inevitable as was Scully considering the state the club was in. Myler leaving for Salford for Warrington (for almost 300k supposedly) falls into the same bracket as Scully. He was always going to leave, the only question was where to and for how much? Perhaps Salford are alredy looking at reversing the deal now they have money to burn.
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| My impression of the Myler deal from Salford's perspective (all be it looking from the outside) seemed to be thanks for the money oh by the way you've paid a lot of money for the 'wrong one' and yet it was all a bit acrimonious.
We obviously went back for the 'right one' at a later date and yet that deal seemed to be viewed differently by the neighbours?
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| Quote ="Uncle Rico"My impression of the Myler deal from Salford's perspective (all be it looking from the outside) seemed to be thanks for the money oh by the way you've paid a lot of money for the 'wrong one' and yet it was all a bit acrimonious.
We obviously went back for the 'right one' at a later date and yet that deal seemed to be viewed differently by the neighbours?'"
Haven't you heard? Marc Sneyd is actually the 'right one'.
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| Quote ="Asgardian13"As has been pointed out by others, 'what goes around comes around'. We know you have an irrational hatred of Warrington but your sadly vitriolic outpouring of ill-will fails to take into account the fact that we suffered the loss of lots of players in this way - from Andy Gregory through Brian Case and Ian Potter through to 80s megastars Sculthorpe and Harris, just to name a few. Now that the Koucash cash is with the Red Devils no doubt you'll be dishing out similar 'hurt' to other clubs.'"
You are correct... what goes around does indeed come around... But I don't agree with it. I'm not overjoyed about my club conducting this practice... I'd much prefer to win nothing for 10 years and build a great system where we nurture our own players with the odd star thrown in for good measure... similar to Leeds and Wigan.
And... BTW... My hatred in by no means irrational.
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| Quote ="LoyalFan"You are correct... what goes around does indeed come around... But I don't agree with it. I'm not overjoyed about my club conducting this practice... I'd much prefer to win nothing for 10 years and build a great system where we nurture our own players with the odd star thrown in for good measure... similar to Leeds and Wigan.
And... BTW... My hatred in by no means irrational.
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Yes, like Wigan who poached many a top Wire player ( and other clubs' players, too ) despite their 'nurturing' system. BTW, any hatred of any club is irrational unless that club has deliberately and knowingly done you personal harm - I seem to remember yours being associated with a father of an old girlfriend.
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| Do agents not have to be accredited in the UK like they are in the NRL? That would seem a good way of squeezing out the Offiah's and Andy Clarkes of this world.
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| I still don't see what the issue is about Offiah's actions over the Myler deal to Warrington. Everybody seems to say "he acted disgracefully" but what did he do?
Is it that Salford offered Myler more than Warrington did, but Offiah persuaded Myler that it would be in his interests to join us for less money, so he could get better commission himself?
Or is it just that he was successful in getting the two clubs in to a bidding war so Warrington ended up offering Myler more?
What did Offiah actually do that was "behaving disgracefully".
I remember him talking Myler up in the media and implying there was lots of interest but thats just kind of a sideshow to promote his player, that is really an agent's job. Look at how Gareth Bale's agent is making a lot of quotes to the press about what an honour it would be for him to be approached by Real Madrid, to try and strengthen his position.
Offiah's job is to represent the interests of his player so if he got the best deal for Richie Myler he has done his job. It wouldn't be exactly surprising if the two clubs offered similar deals and Myler chose Warrington because at the time Salford were crap, the Salford fans knew it, on their messageboard they were always saying what a joke they were, what a joke McRae/Simms etc were. His rugby prospects were going to be better at Warrington. In the same way if Warrington and an NRL club offered him similar deals I can understand if he wanted to try the NRL as long as he felt he was realistically going to be a first teamer.
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