Paul Woods stats are unreal. I think he goes under the radar due to the level of consistency he has found.

Woody's match up well to James Graham. Tak into account how much longer Graham is on the pitch for, I think Woodys show alot of hard graft. I expected Graham to do alot more defensively in all honesty.

Carvells been outstanding, Huby wasn't far behind either before his injury.

Another great Wire home grown talent along with Briers, Myler and Morley good to see a club with so many local lads!

Came through our youth system you bellend. I know he's from Wigan, but far more local to Warrington than the Tomkins sisters are to Wigan.

Quote ="Nikaed"Brett Hodgson 37 tries and assists combined in 20 games. Sam Tomkins 26 Tries and Assists combined in 18 games Hodgson>Tomkins. '" What a bizarre response. Never the less I'll respond. Just take a look bellow at the tackles bust and clean breaks. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011

Quote ="Nikaed"Brett Hodgson 37 tries and assists combined in 20 games. Sam Tomkins 26 Tries and Assists combined in 18 games Hodgson>Tomkins. '" What a bizarre response. Never the less I'll respond. Just take a look bellow at the tackles bust and clean breaks. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011

So went to school and was raised in Warrington was he? Your best and key players are from St Helens, Salford, Sydney, Widnes, Bradford, Wigan need I go on?

Maybe it's time for all Wigan fans to stop posting on the Wire board and vice versa. It's just boring now.

yes.

Two more weeks and you won't see the Wigan trolls for dust around here.

NO. PLEASE DON'T
You've bored us all to tears allready

I didn't realise that there was some kind of pre-requisite, that our players had to be born within a 5 mile radius of market gate.

You really are a sad @#$&er, aren't you.

Mind you, in a fortnight's time, you wont be on here, after your regulation beating, will you.

Must admit: if I were a Wigan fan, I'd find it hard to find a reason to.

Carvell is a good player, but not even the best prop in your team let alone the league. Paul Wood has been quality whenever I've seen him, just head down, gets the job done over and over again.

And for someone mentioning Lima, yup, fair enough, he does get smashed about a bit. But he doesn't half work hard.

Carvell has been very consistent this year as has Woody....and Gaz was the best prop on the pitch last night...despite having to play virtually the whole match. There is still a long way to go...but if Carvell puts in stints like last nights every week then he will have every right to call himself the best prop in the league.

Last night he was superb, and has been for a few weeks.

Graham is probably the best prop in SL, but as a quartet I'm more than happy with Moz, Gaz, Wood, Harrison.

From what I've seen this season of SL I'd have to agree Carvell is the top prop this season.

Yours are from Milton Keynes, Sydney, New Zealand, Warrington, Bradford and Salford...need I go on?

Actually how many of your team are actually from Wigan. I know you've got two or three. I'd guess at Farrell, Deacon(signed from Bradford) and O'Loughlin. In our squad we have McCarthy, Blythe, Mitchell and Riley all Warrington lads. You may have more, just puts and end to the myth that all your lads are from Wigan and we have no Warrington lads. Now toddle off and play with your sister.

Carvell has been awesome this year. He's the third best prop England have.

It takes alot to over shadow someone like Adrian Morley, Carvell has been brilliant. Getting more meters and more minutes out of him then ever before.

Carvell is the best prop for wire, the best prop in super league is Graham. Compare the two had to head on stats Graham is far superior. Unless you ignore stats of course.

Gaz is the mature leader of the team recently.
Graham is a petulant child who moans for 40 mins if he doesn't get his own way.

Has the skill and drive (at times to be the best) I see Gaz as a better play than Graham and I have nothing against Graham, as he has a lotof talent.

Metres ... Graham 3003, Carvell 1689.
Carries.... Graham 424, Carvell. 224
Tackles.... Graham 494. Carvell. 439
Busts....... Graham 23. Carvell 12
Missed tackles .... Graham. 13. Carvell 21
Penalties. .... Graham 10 Carvell 15.

Forgot about the wire fans yardstick, Graham moans a lot, so Carvell is the "best prop in super league", apologises.

I gave you a good reason. Don't be flippant.

MY criteria for a good player is not the most metres made, but the effect their performance has on the team and having watched both players more than a couple of times this season I can state that I think Gaz provides more for Wire than Graham does at Saints.

Although I must admit he was very good when playing at the HJ.

I am not a fan of stats. The main reason being that they can easily be manipulation. For example, you don't know how many minutes Graham has played this year compared to Gaz. I would wager it is many many more.

Having seen both I can make a fair assessment. My opinion is that Carvell is, at the moment, the better player and is certainly the more mature player.

We can differ on our opinions. I am not wrong though. When Carvell has the ball, anywhere on the pitch, you know now that he will get 10 or more metres on his run. That is something I don't think Graham always provides, I have seen instances where he is more obsessed with changing the refs mind than lifting his team. How he came to be captain of Sts I do not know.

Because he changes the ref's mind, perhaps?

Tony Smith suggested he intimidates refs and as we all know, Tony Smith is always right and not a mard a*se at all. Therefore, James Graham is a better player than Carvell as he can influence the ref in his team's favour. (Well, if you're going to be subjective in your measurement of what makes a good player - as opposed to considering stats - then influencing the ref, as your coach suggested he does, must be as good a feature as any for deciding whether a player is good)