never in the memory of man

Quite easily (imo). Just because they're Aussies, doesn't mean a GB player can't be better. Moz has stood up and been counted whenever and wherever he's played. More than can be said for some individuals.

I fully expect James Graham to be lauded to greater heights, when he reaches his "optimum prop age".

Is that a Cullenism ?

I didnt dismiss Morleys attributes or success, I said never is/was he as good as the 2 named above. Probably the best 2 props in the last 10 years.

....and I say he's better.

As I said earlier.........

(imo) he's twice the player that Civenoceva (sp) or Webcke ever was.

...it's only an opinion.

No prop EVER, has ever been twice the prop they were...

very nearly



my favourite Cullenism "we'll soon jag a win out of Saints"

WTF does jag mean

Dean Sampson , Paul Anderson

Are you related to either of them

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They were good, but I never really got the "love in" for them

No I can just recognize class when I see it, biased or unbiased. Or have you only watched rugby in the last 3-4 years?

No, over 30 years.
I too, can also recognise class. BTW, I'm not biased. Morley's quality (which I've been able to witness (off and on) for well over a decade) has shone through, wether at Leeds, Roosters, Wire or GB.

I just think Moz is far better than the 2 Aussies I mentioned. It's only my opinion (again)

It might be your opinion, but it's wrong.



Morley is a world class prop forward though, only James Graham is better in this country.

wrong..morley is better than graham..

Fair enough difference of opinion, there's not much in it IMO.

However Lefty's assertion that Morley is twice the player Civoniceva and Webcke were is so wrong it's untrue.

well said. graham still has a lt to learn. everybody fears moz and repects him you just have to look. moz edges it over titty lip graham for mine.

moz for me, should have got man of steel last year, just my opinion. must be strong contender this year, could be a few candidates this year though, let me start it of, After Morley. Eastmond?

Problem for me is that his game hasn't really developed too much over the years, and is still more of an 'old school' biff style forward.

If you compare the role he does to the mobility and offloading of Wood* & Harrison, or the space that Solamona creates, then it's always difficult to say who is the better, or more effective player. It's all really about getting the right balance for the team, rather than the impact of an individual.



(*IMHO I'm really impressed at the way Woody has worked on his game, especially as we feared his career might have been over given the run of injuries over the last few years).

Absolutely spot on, its a no contest for me .. I was comparing Grahams stats earlier and at first glance they look pretty good, but then i started to break them down into Metres per carry and tackles per game and so on, and thats when his stats started to look quite average really.. statswise he's not even the best forward at saints Defensively Paul Clough puts a better stint in than Graham and thats with the ginger whinger playing more minutes.. and both Morley and Woody have better Metres per carry and tackles per game than Graham and his marker tackling is shocking in comparison to those two as well.

few stats on meters per carry for this season

Adrian Morley - 8.05m per carry
Ben Harrison - 7.04m per carry
Paul Wood - 7.17m per carry
Gaz Carvell - 7.27m per carry
David Solomona - 7.12m per carry

James Graham - 6.8m per carry
Andy Coley - 6.6m per carry
Jamie peacock - 7.2m per carry
Andy Lynch - 6.2m per carry
Mark O'meley - 7.04m per carry

Morley must be in running for MOS again this year - That was also a great impact on Grix. That was one heck of a trip to Disneyland for poor Scott there.

Morley must be up there as the best prop we've had. Certainly in my lifetime anyway (I'm just a bit too young to remember Les).

Not bad for a bloke of 33. Not bad at all.

Leading his team out (again) at Wembley and for the first time at Old Trafford? Time will tell...

I'm not one for following stats and using them to base an opinion on a player or who is better but those show just how dominant our pack has become.

wouldn't disagree with Morley for MOS

He is a player that all opposition players and fans alike respect (though we may not show it on match day)

I dont think he won it last year because of your poor league form early on, irrespective of how well he was playing

moz is a legend at wire....

anyone one know if mozzas hit on grix is on-line anywhere yet?

unbelievable player. moran, smith, morley in no particular order have had the biggest impact on the transformation of our club.