Ah well.

At least we're not lacking a Coach.

Maybe we got bored after your 11,000th post.

I think these are positions in which we could certainly improve. Don't get me wrong Mathers does a solid job do the team atm, but a playmaking loose forward and NRL style attacking full back would take this side to the next level.

Three trophies this season for Warrington then? I don't think any fan of any other club would come out with that statement about their club.

Slater & Inglis Please. Free Pies, free 4 pint pots, continual warm weather, & some juggzillas dancing away before the game.

I'm not seeing this as picking holes in the team as teams look to improve every year. Next year we should be looking at getting rid of Vinnie Anderson, Richie Mathers and maybe Chris Hicks.... Get a decent Full-Back (the best we can afford) let Riley have the wing that Hicks left.... Vinnie and Hicks are getting no younger.

I'm not sure we need a forward as we have plenty of back-up and i can see Harrison replacing Morley in the forwards eventully and get a Loose forward in time but for next year a better Full-Back is the most important.

To be flipant we can improve in every position as we dont have the best players in the world in every position.

So to start

1. Slater

3. Inglis

7. Thurston

9. Smith

Should I go on

Salary cap

People worry too much about mathers. He, along with westwood, offer good value for money when it comes to staying within the SC. Anyway, Rhys Evans is a fullback and i would imagine he would be pushing for a first team spot sometime next season. And before anybody mentions his age, a lot of top class players (sculthorpe, harris, farrell, edwards, connolly etc) had broken into the first team by the age of 17.

After the result last night along with people commenting on some of our obvious weaknesses i thought this would be the ideal time to continue this topic, we were unlucky against Wigan as a few things went against us in that game but its still 2 big games played and 2 big games lost, personally i don`t class the Bulls as a big game these days as i can`t see them as a threat to any silverware on the evidence of the last few years and this season.

I suggested at the start of the thread that we need a quality fullback who gives you a more solid feel than Richie Mathers does along with a quality 13 and ideally some pace in the 2nd row, we have a bit too much graft and bump n grind in the back row, Westwood does a great job but you need a bit of pace and skill to compliment that like Saints and Leeds have had down the years with Gilmore and Ellis.

Hudds away was a big game.

It may be classed as a big game to some but there not a team that sets the benchmark as far as trophies and past success goes, so you wouldn`t say that Huddersfield are a team that were aiming to emulate on the pitch. Huddersfield away was a great win, make no bones about that. On friday it was arguably a far weaker saints team than in years gone by yet we lined up quite a bit stronger than in past meetings with them and still couldn`t manage to get that elusive Knowsley Rd win, it can`t all be a mental thing about playing at Knowsley Rd, we must still be weak in certain areas.

But you shouldnt be skimping on key positions like full back when it comes to the cap.

only got one thing to say In Smith we trust,

Huddersfield finished alot higher in the league then us last season and had the best defence I wouldn't mind some of that.

sounds like a plan to me



*edited for realism

Kicking; all aspects!

sign eastmond, would have him instead of all yours, this kid is gonna be one of best players you will ever see in sl, so make the most of him before the aussies come sniffing

Eastmond at Fullback, kicking.

Is this the same rule of thumb that created the perception that Paul Wellens was/is the best fullback in the World?

Only in Eddie and Stevos eyes, oh and a few one eyed red vee fans.

who the hell mentioned paul wellens? if you watch sl or have done for the past couple of years and take your blinkers off and i hate st helens head off .
you will have seen a young player who has got everything, speed, strenght,skill,kicking-short and long game, conversions etc, and like i said is gonna be one of best players this country has ever produced.

GREATTT !!!!!!

we have not even past easter and your criticizing the team already




only if you said this before the season actually started !!!!!

Good thread Rob. I think we will improve greatly at loose forward when Sinfield arrives.

We lost on goal kicks. Hardly a crushing defeat. I'd like to see the thread at the end of the regular season when we might have some real substance to our whinging.

sculthorpe still signing on boxing day?