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| Quote ="mark_m"Well that helps with what I was thinking. They are all more than ten years ago or more and none of them are in the Andy Gregory or Martin Gleeson class.
Although thinking about it the flow of players from Wigan to Warrington has hardly been sparkling either.'"
sorry your wrong, wigan won everything in those days, read your history books
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| Quote ="mark_m"Well that helps with what I was thinking. They are all more than ten years ago or more and none of them are in the Andy Gregory or Martin Gleeson class.
Although thinking about it the flow of players from Wigan to Warrington has hardly been sparkling either.'"
and they all bit us on the bum, my point proven, the case for the defence rests me thinks
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| Andy Gregory was sensational for Warrington. I wouldn't put him down as an under-performer who starred for Wigan.
David Myers (RIP) would be the classic example for me - we played him at prop and he moved to Wigan and became an international winger.
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| Quote ="slimwire66"sorry your wrong, wigan won everything in those days, read your history books'"
Wrong that Fieldhouse, Case and Potter are not in the Gleeson/ Gregory class? Don't think so. And those mentioned were all at least twelve years ago or more.
You seem to forget that they won 'everything' because they were the only full time team at that time.
Selling Gleeson will not bite us in the backside. This could be the start of players at the club being professional, treating the club with respect and being a TEAM for the first time in living memory.
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| Quote ="mark_m"No it won't. First step into us being a star team and not a team of stars.'"
I like that.
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| I remember McGinty looking like a real journeyman for Wire, but he went to Wigan, won trophies,and became something of a GB regular.
Keith Holden - he looked brilliant in his all too brief spell with us.
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| Quote ="mark_m"Wrong that Fieldhouse, Case and Potter are not in the Gleeson/ Gregory class? Don't think so. And those mentioned were all at least twelve years ago or more.
You seem to forget that they won 'everything' because they were the only full time team at that time.
Selling Gleeson will not bite us in the backside. This could be the start of players at the club being professional, treating the club with respect and being a TEAM for the first time in living memory.'"
thats not what i said, i said players we sell come back and bite us on the bum, i did not compare like for like, and gregory won more with wigan than with us, hence it bit us on the bum.. admit your wrong, stop moving the goal posts.... your wrong!
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| I think McGinty was a journeyman at Wigan but in a much better team and was once dropped by Dorahy in 1994 for best part of half a year. Although he has of course got a World Club Champions medal.
Difficult to compare anything pre SL as no other team was full time. I might be wrong but is Gleeson the first player to go from Warrington to Wigan during the SL era? I can recall Martin Dermott coming back the other way.
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| whats time got to do with any thing you asked for examples, cos you could not think of any yourself, highlighting your poor historical knowledge,
they won major trophies with wigan 12 years ago
so therfore were better than gleeson... star team rather than players!
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| Quote ="slimwire66"whats time got to do with any thing you asked for examples, cos you could not think of any yourself, highlighting your poor historical knowledge,
they won major trophies with wigan 12 years ago
so therfore were better than gleeson... star team rather than players!'"
None of the above players won trophies with Wigan in 1997. Check your own poor historical knowledge.
And I still stand by the fact that those are not in the Gregory/ Gleeson class.
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| Quote ="mark_m"None of the above players won trophies with Wigan in 1997. Check your own poor historical knowledge.
And I still stand by the fact that those are not in the Gregory/ Gleeson class.'"
did i once say they were, all i said was they had more sucess at wigan, prove they didn't win more! if wigan only won one trophy when the players i mentioned were at wigan, chances are we didn't
oh and who mentioned 97 not me statto
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| Quote ="slimwire66"whats time got to do with any thing you asked for examples, cos you could not think of any yourself, highlighting your poor historical knowledge,
they won major trophies with wigan 12 years ago
so therfore were better than gleeson... star team rather than players!'"
You did.
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| Is/was Glees really a 'sulker' and 'not commited' or is he just a really laid back and easy going bloke?
He looked quite commited when he went 90 metres against Bratfurt last season.
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| Quote ="mark_m"You did.'"
you brought 12 years into it, not me, some of those players did not play 12 years ago, the point i'm making is they came back better players for wigan than for wires
btw how many wire matches did you watch in 97, i saw them all did you?
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| Quote ="slimwire66"you brought 12 years into it, not me, some of those players did not play 12 years ago, the point i'm making is they came back better players for wigan than for wires
btw how many wire matches did you watch in 97, i saw them all did you?'"
christchurch, cronulla & penrith away?
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| You typed;
"they won major trophies with wigan 12 years ago".
Which is incorrect. I suspect the last one mentioned to win anything was McGinty in 1994. And I dare say they did improve at Wigan because they were full time players whilst at Warrington they were not. But since SL...nothing.
Therefore, I don't believe Gleeson will suddenly become a superstar again at Wigan. They are no different than us in 2009 and I cannot think of a single valid reason why he would.
And I dare say I hardly missed any matches in 1997 if any at all. Do I get a badge or something?
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| Quote ="'Hitman' Norvern Soul"Is/was Glees really a 'sulker' and 'not commited' or is he just a really laid back and easy going bloke?
He looked quite commited when he went 90 metres against Bratfurt last season.'" I think so! I seen him wingeing at other players in our last few home games, he looked like he wanted out? Easy to say now though
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| Quote ="slimwire66"christchurch, cronulla & penrith away?'"
Ahh I see. Are you one of the 52 and in the 'superfan' category?
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| Quote ="mark_m"You typed;
"they won major trophies with wigan 12 years ago".
Which is incorrect. I suspect the last one mentioned to win anything was McGinty in 1994. And I dare say they did improve at Wigan because they were full time players whilst at Warrington they were not. But since SL...nothing.
Therefore, I don't believe Gleeson will suddenly become a superstar again at Wigan. They are no different than us in 2009 and I cannot think of a single valid reason why he would.
And I dare say I hardly missed any matches in 1997 if any at all. Do I get a badge or something?'"
you picked me up on one point, fair enough, but it was you that brought up the twelve years, when the players i mentioned played for wigan they had more sucess than when they played for us, the rest is your poor arguements, you did miss at least 3 matches in 97, as i know every fan who went on the wcc by name!
so no badge for you!
and we'll see about gleeson only time will tell/ history writes itself and all that
my opinion, just as your entitled to yours
but the point i first made was he will come to bite us on the bum...so lets see shall we?
who brought superleague up?
stop moving the goal posts to suit your arguement
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| Quote ="slimwire66"you picked me up on one point, fair enough, but it was you that brought up the twelve years, when the players i mentioned played for wigan they had more sucess than when they played for us, the rest is your poor arguements, you did miss at least 3 matches in 97, as i know every fan who went on the wcc by name!
so no badge for you!
and we'll see about gleeson only time will tell/ history writes itself and all that
my opinion, just as your entitled to yours
but the point i first made was he will come to bite us on the bum...so lets see shall we?
who brought superleague up?
stop moving the goal posts to suit your arguement'"
Fair enough. Although all the players mentioned are all a long time ago and there has been nothing of note since the full-time SL era.
You seem to forget that Wigan aren't famous anymore!
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| Quote ="mark_m"Ahh I see. Are you one of the 52 and in the 'superfan' category?'"
who knows, you don't! maybe i am, not for you or me to judge is it?
i was one of the 52
and went to the WCC in97
you?
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| Dont see him every week like you guys but from an opposing fans perspective if you asked 100 opposing fans for the name of the most dangerous player for warrington i am sure 95% of them would name Gleeson. He may be a bad apple, he may be a sulker but unless there is a top notch replacement, I am afraid yoy may be £100k better off, but mathers cant get a game at wigan, and think you are less dangerous.
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| Quote ="slimwire66"who knows, you don't! maybe i am, not for you or me to judge is it?
i was one of the 52
and went to the WCC in97
you?'"
No but you must direct me to your employer who clearly pays you far more than mine pays me.
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| Quote ="mark_m"No but you must direct me to your employer who clearly pays you far more than mine pays me.'"
nhs
stop spending your money on other things!
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| Quote ="slimwire66"i think this will come back and bite us on the ass!'"
The club no longer own a donkey.
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