Thanks for the response. Like it.

Yeah but we won a challenge cup mate so it's all good you should be happy just because if that it's more than we had won for the previous 20 odd years so we have no real reason to be unhappy at the below standard performances we put in weeknin week out aside from "the big games" in which the players put a tad more effort in m. You can rest assured against Leeds we will see similar performance as we did against Wigan and saints yet complete mediocracy against wakey Salford and Co. Poor team attitude is our downfall more than ability

Of course you have the option to "ignore" posters within a forum so you never need to read them again. They would probably prefer that to being insulted, derided and ridiculed for expressing a view. You can also make your point without personal insults or slurs on peoples character especially when you consider you do not know the people involved.

Furthermore how do you know those people to which you refer, but do not have the decency to name, have never played Rugby League?

In closing the irony of moaning about moaning is not lost.

Stop being so negative. We have a wonderful coach who has delivered a Challenge Cup win and we are learning all the time. The problems we have just require a quick fix. Our form is just a blip. Keep the faith. WTID.

Not like you to be factually incorrect SC. Did you attend the London game on the Monday night in question?

It should have been a world heritage site.

It would help moderate the tone if the phase 'Happy Clappers' were banned by the mods.

Those of us who don't bitch about every single performance are not 'happy', we're just looking at the bigger picture. No club, no matter how rich or well resourced, has a right to win SL, there are simply too many variables. We should be doing all we can to win SL, and I think we are. If Steve Price proves incapable of winning it, the board will replace him. However, this season we have played four games, looked very good in two, poor in one and bang average in the fourth. That is not sackable form.

Messrs Moran and Middleton are not going to accept season-after-season without the SL trophy, but they can't guarantee a winning side no matter what they spend, and it is absolutely fair to point out that adopting an 'anyone is better than Price' stance on the coach is clearly nonsense. In fact, you could argue that is how we got Steve Price, because 'anyone was better than Tony Smith'.

Completely agree. Calling people "happy clappers" for their view is as bad as calling people "sad and boring" or "twisted" for theirs.

A forum is a place to exchange views without need for personal insults. If one cannot make a point without an insult then perhaps the point lacks the substance, or the author the eloquence, to make it.

The following 27 members have made a critical post concerning Price and/or club on this thread, they are the overwhelming number of contributors. Who are the few "twisted and bitter" members to which you are referring? Or do you wish to withdraw your personal comment on the mental characteristics of others?

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-RLIMR
-DizzyHeights
-sally cinnamon (would appoint Wane 100%)
-rubber duckie (he can go for me)
-Lord Tony Smith
-Jack Napier
-ratticusfinch
-MannyWire
-Wires71
-sir adrian morley
-karetaker
-morleys_deckchair (we could be doing alot better thean steve price)
-DAG (Should’ve gone at the end of the season)
-MPhil12 (I said at the end of last season that you had to get rid of Price)
-Snaggletooth (Sticking with Price will bring nothing but gloom to the fans on a weekly basis. Time for change for me)
-lefty goldblatt (The fella's out of his depth, and (imo, we've hired a dud).
-morrisseyisawire (ets throw money at a coach for a change. Ward or Wane (PT) please)
-moving on...
-Damienc (Based of last year for me he should have gone regardless of the Challenge Cup)
-Captain Hook (Personally I would have sought a new coach for this season
-Longbarn Wire ( I for one hope the rumor earlier in the thread about Price being put on notice until Easter is true..)
-the flying biscuit (each season seems to get more desperate.....despite a sprinkling of finals....)
-CW8 (it feels like a write off already as things stand)
-Wirefan (financial power of Chelsea, business acumen and ambition of Newcastle Utd)
-Winslade's Offload (the Board should be looking to sign a top class coach from the NRL for next year)
-MorePlaymakersNeeded (We've had such a period of poor performances, we need something to change in the coaching and captaincy departments.)
-easyWire (Yes we do have a serial losers (well, Bridemaids) mentality

Yes. Were you one of those true fans that were leaving the games blindly clapping along and saying "oh well, they tried their best. There's always next week/month/year/century."

Question. Do you genuinely believe this current playing group is being trained to the best possible standard and that the players are playing to their full ability?

or do you think they are coached to an ok standard and that most the squad plays at about 80%?

The bigger picture is we have lost 10 of the last 13 games. We haven’t won away since July last year. We have a coach who has sucked the life out of our attacking players. We struggle to score more than two/three try’s a game with two marquee halfbacks. Do you really think Price is getting the best out of the players he gas at his disposal? It’s not like we have a poor squad either. Teams would kill for a spine of Ratchford, Austin, Widdop, Clark etc. It’s all well and good getting up for games against Saints & Wigan but we should be convincingly beating teams like Wakefield and Toronto with the team we have. Why isn’t Price motivating the players to get up for these games?

I had a season ticket back then so yes, but wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong.

My memory was of this happening during that nightmare Easter when we lost to Salford away, Widnes home and then Wakefield away and then Anderson stepped down and handed it over to Plange. But looking at the fixture list, the next home game after the Widnes one was the London one so maybe that's when the car park incident happened?

It's a bit out of order to suggest those guys would be involved in harassing a player just because they are critics on here. They aren't rude or personal to other posters on this forum either.

I don't know why people get so upset about reading dissenting views. It's surely the whole thing that attracts you to read forums like this. You start with your own perspective but see counter arguments presented by others and it makes you reflect and change your mind.

I think one problem with society generally is that people are too obsessed about being 'right' and also have a tendency to 'pick a side' and then stick rigidly to it in the face of contradictory evidence. If someone changes their mind they are seen as being a 'flip flop' and seen as less credible. You see this all the time in politics on stuff like whether Brexit or Jeremy Corbyn is a good thing. People who have picked a side, will regard it as an article of faith to argue that position, and they lose their ability to make accurate judgements, and those who change their position are derided for being inconsistent.

I prefer the Bayesian approach: you start with a prior view on something, then as you get new evidence, you update it.

My current 'prior' on Price is: I don't think we're going to win a GF with him as coach so I'd be looking around at other options and if the opportuity arose to bring a really attractive name in, I would. I wouldn't sack him now or during the season.

If we lose our next 5 games I'd probably update that to....we're in such a downward spiral that urgent change is needed so we should think about parting terms and appointing a caretaker.

If we win the Challenge Cup again, I'd probably update that to...back to back Challenge Cup wins is pretty impressive, lets lock Price down for another couple of seasons and see what we can achieve.

Does that make me pro-Price or anti-Price, I don't know. It just means I'll update my position based on the new evidence and that sometimes means flip-flopping on a previous position.

In the early 2000s I always thought Briers was overrated by Wire fans when people were calling for him as saviour of GB and I used to want us to swap him for someone like Dunemann, then I switched my view and now think he's massively underrated and not given the respect he deserves considering what he achieved for us. I went the other way on Kelly Shelford who was a massive hero of mine as a teenager but with hindsight I don't think he was as good as I thought, especially at the end.

Not even a tiny bit serious with my comments. I thought the idea slightly amusing that the same men who were making their views felt then would be doing so now. Daft idea ... of course

Every fan should read this. Brilliant post!

Getting bitchy on here.

Excellent post, I'll be happy for Steve price to prove me wrong, but I've been waiting some time for the evidence to suggest that!

That's correct and there's no real need for it.

ALL views are welcome within the AUP and we can do without calling each other out on a message board. There is an ignore function if anyone is fed up with reading what they consider to be the same old/same old opposite POV.

Let's smarten it up please

In conclusion (for now ),



“Ask not what the coach can do for the players; .....and species “

“Ask what the players can do for the coach; .......and species”.

Just to confirm my thoughts. I am truly sorry if any individual took offence at my comments re. the Sit In
Lesson learnt. Trying to write something (even mildly amusing & ludicrous) via the written word can be hazardous. I'm sure if we met up we'd get on beautifully.

I'm not agreeing with anyone who starts dissing Kelly shelford!!

....as a thought I'm trying to imagine our team now if we had Kelly Shelford and Sandow at half backs...and Richard Henari on the wing while I'm at it.

where would Appo fit in....I suppose the other wing, or fullback

Yeah fb

I think this thread is drifting towards the one we experienced just prior to TS's departure. Perhaps I can make a few suggestions;

If you are going to make a point, please back it up with reasons and facts. Simply saying "X is rubbish" doesn't encourage any sort of civilised debate and will wind up anyone who holds the opposite view. Wires 1967 earlier in this thread made a well reasoned post and is a good example to all of us.

You will find some posters simply have to have the last word because they know they are correct (my wife for instance). So if you have made a well thought out point, why not just ignore the reply that you know is coming. Sometimes silence speaks louder than words.

Avoid making the same or very similar point across multiple threads. This is 'derailing' and will certainly wind up plenty of people who want to get on and discuss the original thread topic.

Avoid abuse. This is a big no no in the AUP and you are risking a ban. Abuse can also be suggested or implied by those with an inventive mind, but if the moderators interpret it as such, there will still be a ban.

I am now going to lock this thread. Anybody is very welcome to start a new Price thread and in doing so perhaps we can make a fresh start.