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| Quote ="ninearches"Does this mean we can now officially start to slag him off in the best traditions of this forum ?'"
Can we do the thing where someone trawls back and finds all manner of posts slagging him off from people who now think that he is the Messiah?
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| Quote ="Ganson's Optician"Can we do the thing where someone trawls back and finds all manner of posts slagging him off from people who now think that he is the Messiah?'"
Or how about the Forum equivalent of WW1 truce where they played football, can't see it lasting much longer on here than it did back then.
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| Good luck to him..
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| Cotton wool sales have just shot through the roof in Warrington!
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| Quote ="Lebron James"Cotton wool sales have just shot through the roof in Warrington!
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I really hope your mum and dad get you some nice toys for Christmas.
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| Quote ="Lebron James"Cotton wool sales have just shot through the roof in Warrington!
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Ooooh back with his rapier sharp wit, duck for cover everyone.
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| So what will his shirt number be,is it right we can't give the number 7 out now??
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| Quote ="karetaker"So what will his shirt number be,is it right we can't give the number 7 out now??'"
how bad is that that three players can walk out of legally binding contracts without a whiff of trouble, but you watch the RFL say they wont allow us to give brown the Number 7 shirt.....
absolute joke....
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"how bad is that that three players can walk out of legally binding contracts without a whiff of trouble, but you watch the RFL say they wont allow us to give brown the Number 7 shirt.....
absolute joke....'"
The clubs are taking legal action I understand. What do you want the RFL to do?
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| Quote ="Wires71"The clubs are taking legal action I understand. What do you want the RFL to do?'"
Well to free up their playing numbers would be nice,what's the point of keeping them locked when it's obvious those players are not going to be playing.
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| Where is it written that the shirt number cannot be reallocated BEFORE the season?
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| Quote ="easyWire"Where is it written that the shirt number cannot be reallocated BEFORE the season?'"
I believe Widnes have reallocated their numbers, so don't think there's anything to stop it being done.
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| I actually wonder what the salary cap position is? Do the RFL accept that there has been a fundamental breach of contract such that although we still hold Sandows registration we are under no obligation to pay him? Obviously the Salary Cap doesn't apply to us but I'm curious.
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| Quote ="easyWire"Where is it written that the shirt number cannot be reallocated BEFORE the season?'"
It's not. It's about getting outraged for no reason.
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| Quote ="CM Punk":37jw3npm
I believe Widnes have reallocated their numbers, so don't think there's anything to stop it being done.'" 7 etc. A generous gesture, don't know if Warrington and doing the same with Sandow shirts.
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| Yes Wire are paying for Sandow..
I would also guess Wire are paying for the Brown shirts too.(factored into the deal)
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| I wonder if keeping Sandow registered at 7 will be for dramatic effect when it comes up in court.
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| I'd sooner see it on Judge Rinder then when he is left homeless, watch Sandy on Jeremy Kyle with some colleagues!
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"I actually wonder what the salary cap position is? Do the RFL accept that there has been a fundamental breach of contract such that although we still hold Sandows registration we are under no obligation to pay him? Obviously the Salary Cap doesn't apply to us but I'm curious.'"
I'm pretty sure if you have a long term injury, like, out for the season you can de register a player so you can still pay him as per his contact but it won't count on the cap. I would like to think the same applies here that they can still hold his registration but it not count on the cap because of the circumstances. If this isn't the case the RFL are even more clueless than I first thought
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| I can't see how, as Sandow walked out on us, we would still be paying him. Therefore, how could there be any affect on salary cap?
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| Quote ="Wrath"I can't see how, as Sandow walked out on us, we would still be paying him. Therefore, how could there be any affect on salary cap?'"
There's a couple of things in this.
Firstly, the salary cap value of a player is totally unrelated to the amount they actually get paid. It's a completely notional value, which uses a players contract to calculate the "worth" of a player. There's a couple of reasons to do this, both legally and logistically. The easiest example to see the difference between paying a player and cap value is in bonuses i.e. appearance bonuses. The cap assumes that a player whose base salary is over £20,000 will play 20 times in a year, and their total cap value will include 20x the appearance bonus whatever it may be (of the base salary is under 20k, it assumes they will play 5 times.) It doesn't matter if the player is injured in round 1 or plays every game that season, that's the cap value.
So, if we assume that the contract between Sandow and Warrington hasn't been terminated, then Sandow is still on Warringtons cap. However, there are clauses in the Salary Cap that allow clubs to appeal for a short term cap increase in cases of injury crisis, player misbehaviour, or anything else. The current situation should be cut and dry for Warrington to use this clause to effectively negate Sandows cap value.
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| Quote ="Wires71"It's not. It's about getting outraged for no reason.'"
Wow. ......Why didn't you end that with a
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Just to sound a bit more pompous. ....
I had read we had registered the number 7 to sandow and that we are now unable to change that. This would make some sense otherwise Andrew Johns would have wore 7 when we de registered Appo. ( yes half way through a season but same difference? ??)
It appears its alright for you to have a pop at the rfl but I'd I do it it's outrage for no reason.
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| All this charade with squad numbering just fuels my agenda of dropping the whole system.
It causes more issues than any small merchandising gains it makes...if any.
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| World's gone fuggin' mental.
We've got a barmpot as leader of the free world
Some woman called Scarlett is classed as a celebrity
People are getting upset that a fat MP that can't dance, and a white woman pretending to be black have got too far in talent shows
A 72 year old rock star has fathered a child, whilst having two great grandchildren
and a seemingly sane businessman has authorised the transfer of an aging halfback RL player, who's best days are behind him, for a substantial amount of money, when transfer fees are rarely paid.
MADNESS
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"There's a couple of things in this.
Firstly, the salary cap value of a player is totally unrelated to the amount they actually get paid. It's a completely notional value, which uses a players contract to calculate the "worth" of a player. There's a couple of reasons to do this, both legally and logistically. The easiest example to see the difference between paying a player and cap value is in bonuses i.e. appearance bonuses. The cap assumes that a player whose base salary is over £20,000 will play 20 times in a year, and their total cap value will include 20x the appearance bonus whatever it may be (of the base salary is under 20k, it assumes they will play 5 times.) It doesn't matter if the player is injured in round 1 or plays every game that season, that's the cap value.
So, if we assume that the contract between Sandow and Warrington hasn't been terminated, then Sandow is still on Warringtons cap. However, there are clauses in the Salary Cap that allow clubs to appeal for a short term cap increase in cases of injury crisis, player misbehaviour, or anything else. The current situation should be cut and dry for Warrington to use this clause to effectively negate Sandows cap value.'"
Thanks for that. To quote the saying, it's as clear as mud.
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