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It's over your head.
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Yes, that's why I asked what you were going on about.
I assume that it's a diversionary tactic on your part because you came up with the rather silly idea of imposing a ban on starting to employ anyone to play RL who is 31 or over and wanted to gloss over by ignoring a valid point with the usual that you infest these boards with.
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| Quote ="Josh Lyman"Yes, that's why I asked what you were going on about.
I assume that it's a diversionary tactic on your part because you came up with the rather silly idea of imposing a ban on starting to employ anyone to play RL who is 31 or over and wanted to gloss over by ignoring a valid point with the usual poop that you infest these boards with.
Fair guess?'"
No pal.
I'm not going to explain to you why age and sex in a professional sports team are exempt from some aspects of the equal opportunities act.
just use your loaf and if you really don't understand then why not read up on it instead! |
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"No pal.
I'm not going to explain to you why age and sex in a professional sports team are exempt from some aspects of the equal opportunities act.
Use you loaf!'"
*Cracks knuckles*
Few points:-
1 - There is no such thing as the Equal Opportunities Act. Do you mean the Equality Act?
2 - There is no exemption, whatsoever, for professional sports teams, in the Equality Act - or indeed, in any piece of employment law. However, if I'm wrong about that (I'm not) then I'd be fascinated to hear which bit in particular - can you help?
3 - What you are proposing is Direct Age Discrimination. That is prohibited under s13 of the Equality Act. Now, you can, feasibly, justify direct age discrimination if it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. However, I don't think WWRLFC would be able to do that. If you weren't such an insufferable tit I would go into the detail but I don't think you'd be able to grasp it.
So no, you are not going to explain to me why "age and sex in a professional sports team are exempt from some aspects of the equal opportunities act". Mainly because it is complete . I'm not sure that a career in the legal profession is quite for you pal.
OK pumpkin?
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so pedantic.
Do you think I actually care?
I stopped reading when you called me a "tit".
Welcome to a forum.
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Quote ="Josh Lyman"*Cracks knuckles*
Few points:-
1 - There is no such thing as the Equal Opportunities Act. Do you mean the Equality Act?
2 - There is no exemption, whatsoever, for professional sports teams, in the Equality Act - or indeed, in any piece of employment law. However, if I'm wrong about that (I'm not) then I'd be fascinated to here which bit in particular - can you help?
3 - What you are proposing is Direct Age Discrimination. That is prohibited under s13 of the Equality Act. Now, you can, feasibly, justify direct age discrimination if it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. However, I don't think WWRLFC would be able to do that. If you weren't such an insufferable tit I would go into the detail but I don't think you'd be able to grasp it.
So no, you are not going to explain to me why "age and sex in a professional sports team are exempt from some aspects of the equal opportunities act". Mainly because it is complete rubbish. I'm not sure that a career in the legal profession is quite for you pal.
OK pumpkin?
*Drops Mic*'"
without wanting to get in a law argument, I couldnt help but having a quick look on https://www.gov.uk/equality-act-2010-guidance
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Age discrimination: exceptions
The government response to the consultation includes the draft Exceptions Order. You can also read the impact assessment.
Exceptions under the Order are:
age-based concessions
age-related holidays
age verification
clubs and associations concessions
financial services
immigration
residential park homes
sport
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Quote ="Josh Lyman"*Cracks knuckles*
Few points:-
1 - There is no such thing as the Equal Opportunities Act. Do you mean the Equality Act?
2 - There is no exemption, whatsoever, for professional sports teams, in the Equality Act - or indeed, in any piece of employment law. However, if I'm wrong about that (I'm not) then I'd be fascinated to here which bit in particular - can you help?
3 - What you are proposing is Direct Age Discrimination. That is prohibited under s13 of the Equality Act. Now, you can, feasibly, justify direct age discrimination if it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. However, I don't think WWRLFC would be able to do that. If you weren't such an insufferable tit I would go into the detail but I don't think you'd be able to grasp it.
So no, you are not going to explain to me why "age and sex in a professional sports team are exempt from some aspects of the equal opportunities act". Mainly because it is complete rubbish. I'm not sure that a career in the legal profession is quite for you pal.
OK pumpkin?
*Drops Mic*'"
without wanting to get in a law argument, I couldnt help but having a quick look on https://www.gov.uk/equality-act-2010-guidance
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Age discrimination: exceptions
The government response to the consultation includes the draft Exceptions Order. You can also read the impact assessment.
Exceptions under the Order are:
age-based concessions
age-related holidays
age verification
clubs and associations concessions
financial services
immigration
residential park homes
sport
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I think someone will be getting a PM
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No UR.
its quite pathetic of me to get involved.
Once he called me a tit, I called time out.
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No.
Sport
[i9. In section 195 of the Act (general exceptions: sport), after subsection (6) insert—
“(7) A person does not contravene this Act, so far as relating to age discrimination, only by doing anything in relation to the participation of another as a competitor in an age-banded activity if it is necessary to do so—
(a)to secure in relation to the activity fair competition or the safety of competitors,
(b)to comply with the rules of a national or international competition, or
(c)to increase participation in that activity.
(icon_cool.gif For the purposes of subsection (7), an age-banded activity is a sport, game or other activity of a competitive nature in circumstances in which the physical or mental strength, agility, stamina, physique, mobility, maturity or manual dexterity of average persons of a particular age group would put them at a disadvantage compared to average persons of another age group as competitors in events involving the activity.”. [/i
What he is proposing doesn't cover any of the above. It's effectively a public policy exemption to increase participation/to facilitate international competition. i.e. you can have an age limit if you're a gymnast or you can say "an 80 year old can't compete in the 100 metres".
He's talking about a policy whereby Warrington would decide "we're not giving anyone a contract if they are 31 or above". That is unlawful.
However, that is a good spot. Quite why Rubber Duckie didn't engage in a similar manner is lost on me. Actually, no its not.
On reflection, I probably shouldn't have called him a tit. I apologize for that.
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[i9. In section 195 of the Act (general exceptions: sport), after subsection (6) insert—
“(7) A person does not contravene this Act, so far as relating to age discrimination, only by doing anything in relation to the participation of another as a competitor in an age-banded activity if it is necessary to do so—
(a)to secure in relation to the activity fair competition or the safety of competitors,
(b)to comply with the rules of a national or international competition, or
(c)to increase participation in that activity.
(icon_cool.gif For the purposes of subsection (7), an age-banded activity is a sport, game or other activity of a competitive nature in circumstances in which the physical or mental strength, agility, stamina, physique, mobility, maturity or manual dexterity of average persons of a particular age group would put them at a disadvantage compared to average persons of another age group as competitors in events involving the activity.”. [/i
What he is proposing doesn't cover any of the above. It's effectively a public policy exemption to increase participation/to facilitate international competition. i.e. you can have an age limit if you're a gymnast or you can say "an 80 year old can't compete in the 100 metres".
He's talking about a policy whereby Warrington would decide "we're not giving anyone a contract if they are 31 or above". That is unlawful.
However, that is a good spot. Quite why Rubber Duckie didn't engage in a similar manner is lost on me. Actually, no its not.
On reflection, I probably shouldn't have called him a tit. I apologize for that.
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| Quote ="Josh Lyman"No.
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[i9. In section 195 of the Act (general exceptions: sport), after subsection (6) insert—
“(7) A person does not contravene this Act, so far as relating to age discrimination, only by doing anything in relation to the participation of another as a competitor in an age-banded activity if it is necessary to do so—
(a)to secure in relation to the activity fair competition or the safety of competitors,
(b)to comply with the rules of a national or international competition, or
(c)to increase participation in that activity.
(icon_cool.gif For the purposes of subsection (7), an age-banded activity is a sport, game or other activity of a competitive nature in circumstances in which the physical or mental strength, agility, stamina, physique, mobility, maturity or manual dexterity of average persons of a particular age group would put them at a disadvantage compared to average persons of another age group as competitors in events involving the activity.”. [/i
What he is proposing doesn't cover any of the above. It's effectively a public policy exemption to increase participation/to facilitate international competition. i.e. you can have an age limit if you're a gymnast or you can say "an 80 year old can't compete in the 100 metres".
He's talking about a policy whereby Warrington would decide "we're not giving anyone a contract if they are 31 or above". That is unlawful.
However, that is a good spot. Quite why Rubber Duckie didn't engage in a similar manner is lost on me. Actually, no its not.
On reflection, I probably shouldn't have called him a tit. I apologize for that.'"
Very interesting, admittedly most of my knowledge on the equality act comes from dealing with acting and theatre production - theres a lot more flexibility in those exceptions and wrongly assumed that was the same 
I suppose if I had enough time and research I could start to build a case on the principle (a) of your quoted section by providing evidence that a competitor aged x and up are at a higher risk at injury which in turn would lead to a player aged x is less able to fulfil his role within rugby league ... but thats going down a road that just wouldnt be worth the energy of a forum! |
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| Quote ="Uncle Rico"I think someone will be getting a PM'"
I'm so glad i'm not the only one that thought that, whilst reading this exchange. |
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Whatever our policy on employing over 30s, I still doubt we'd go for Paul Gallen in 2017.
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Turning into the Virtual Terrace, this forum.....
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I'm confused....are you Matron?
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"No UR.
Once he called me a tit, I called time out.
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We couldn't afford Paul Gallen. It's not so much the up front salary, but the hidden extras such as guide dog, incontinence pants, and grab rails in the showers.
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| Quote ="Winslade's Offload"We couldn't afford Paul Gallen. It's not so much the up front salary, but the hidden extras such as guide dog, incontinence pants, and grab rails in the showers.'"
He could house share with you and Rico  |
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I may well be grasping the wrong end of the stick, but I would have thought that there would be no problem at all with a Club having a policy of not signing anyone over the age of 31.
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As long as they didn't go public with that policy
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Swapping Cronulla Beach for Cinnamon Brow, he'd be over like a flash Yed, what's not to like? An endless supply of Werthers a backie to the HJ on Winslade's Mobility Scooter, after training days spent doing the two times crossword whilst pigging out on pies from Synge Street....bliss |
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| So after reading the last three pages... are we getting Gallen then? |
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if he signs for catalans dragons, will he be forced to change his name to Paul 4.54609 litres?
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taxi....!
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which firm though, duckie?
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