My golden rule re. selection and returning players has always been ... unless you are certain that the team will be stronger by making changes ... then you should stick with what you've got.

Mine is keep a winning team but you have a stinker and you're dropped.

TKing scored two and got two assists. I still think he was, well, didn’t look like a decent centre. He didn’t pass to Charnley twice when he should have done and even though he got two assists he did kind of leave Charnley with a lot to do (never drew the defenders to create space for Charnley, just gave it him as early as possible).

But it could end up being a good partnership. TKing has missed a hell of a lot of rugby. Development years at first team level he’ll never get back. But now, there’s no reason why he should play (if fit) with Charnley for years ahead. But he needs to learn quickly to do the right things!

For years we’ve seen Atkins being unable to pass well to his winger and he’s had continuous unstoppable years at centre.

Just watched it! Think they got the numbers wrong on the blind side for try one general team issue, try two King had the centre wrapped up, there was no reason for Charnley to come inside, I wouldn’t blame King for either.

He needs to give Charnley better ball, he obviously got it rammed down his neck at half time. I honestly think King could be great, a better centre for Charnley than Atkins could ever be. We’ll see, how Atkins responds, glad that there’s a challenge going on, they can both step up to the plate.

Wish he would draw defenders in a bit more before he passes to Charnley tho.

However the break he made from the charge-down in 2nd half was classy and classic centre play.

There seems an expectation that players should be the finished article within a short time of selection for the first team. It doesn't allow for player development. Toby King clearly took on the 1st half criticism, if his pass timing wasn't perfect it may have been because he hasn't had the luxury of a Charnley type winger outside him before.

This is true. Who is going to mentor him?

Probably Charnley...”just throw me the chuffing ball”

...and if I can’t get in I’ll throw it back to you so can score!

Thought he played really well, cocked up on 2 occasions not passing to charnley in the first half, and lumping 2 tries down that side on him is harsh. But all in all he scored 2 tries, saved a try against us, 2 try assists, broke the line 2-3 times and in the second half was defensively solid. Christ what more does he have to do to get some praise, him and charnley get some more games together and King works on his passing game they'll be a solid combination

soooooooo Ryan Atkins then yeah?

Your point is ?

My Point being that you flagged Toby up for not passing to his Centre, which is a funny thing to flag up, as Toby has 5 Try assists to his name this season whilst Atkins has 0.

Atkins also has 11 missed tackles to Toby's 9.

They have the same amount of tackle busts each.

Toby has made more tackles and has also made half the amount of errors...

I still don't get your point . If it had been Ryan Atkins that had made the same errors I would have stated the same thing.
If you look at my historic posts i'm more about defending players than putting them down , I was a bit frustrated with Toby King that day .

My point is these passes and being willing to pass wins you the Big games , See Kurt Gidley from the 2016 Superleague final , If he would have passed instead of Going for the line we would have won . End of Story .

I've nothing against the lad.

I only picked up on you picking up on it because we've been watching Atkin make those same errors every game for god knows how many years and not just yourself (just in this case), people have been jumping all over him about the times he never passed or what he should have done. There is never any of this outrage when Atkins plays the exact same way.

Don't get me wrong i have Been critical of Atkins lack of a pass , Or a pass into row Z before .

I think it was Charnley's face as he lined up for the Drop out Still shaking his head that made Toby's Lack of a pass hit home . I'm sure josh will be encouraging his Centre to draw and pass whoever that may be.

In all we're looking like a team that's growing , rather than a team that's on the decline and I'm happy.

I'm not bagging T King as overall I have been pleased with his performances particularly second half's where he's got his act together with what must be remembered, is a brand new playing partner, but, to state that Atkins doesn't get stick on here, particularly for the lack of a pass is something that I can't see. He gets plenty and quite rightly, but, makes up for it in other areas as I thought he was one of our better performers in the 'dark days' when all we had was a kick to the corner.

T King has a chance to make it, he's not had a settled run so far due to injuries (awaits the statisticians) he's only 21 and it looks like he will be given a fair go and playing inside Charnley will be a plus, so the rest is up to him

I think in the game that sparked the post it was their first game together so I would say its going to happen whoever the centre or winger is that will I move over time

King has more positives than negatives and given the amount of time he has been out I think he has fitted back in better than I had expected.

I see him as our long term replacement to atkins I think had the pitch not been in such poor condition atkins would have started but not playing him reduces risk to atkins it gives king a confidance boost in keeping his place and also tells the team that your selected on form.

One interesting snippet from the super league show Richie mathers implyd that the centre spot was now Kings and atkins would have to win it back. I remember thinking a few years ago he would make a really good centre, unfortunately I'm still saying the same thing hope he can really use this opportunity to up his game and start performing consistant him n charnley could be as good a wing centre partnership as any in the league.

Atkins has had plenty of stick on here about not having the skills such as creating space for his winger, passing*, brain farts (remember Ryan Air). But he has made the SL Dream Team twice for his explosive power and ability to get quick play the ball. He is also good under an attacking kick. He has represented England 8 times and is 5th on Super League’s all-time try list. Toby King is nowhere near him yet. *He admits he is not a classy centre here https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/rugby ... -exclusive

Atkins has had plenty of stick on here about not having the skills such as creating space for his winger, passing*, brain farts (remember Ryan Air). But he has made the SL Dream Team twice for his explosive power and ability to get quick play the ball. He is also good under an attacking kick. He has represented England 8 times and is 5th on Super League’s all-time try list. Toby King is nowhere near him yet. *He admits he is not a classy centre here https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/rugby ... -exclusive

Imagine if we still had Hiku with Charnley outside him? Joshua would be looking at 40+ tries in the season. As it is if Toby King (and i wasnt a fan) is our third choice centre and we have two good wingers and Mitch Brown as back up for those....that is a hell of an improvement on the threequarters of last season. I rather like Mr Price.

Funny how we all have different perspectives of the game in general.

I see Toby King becoming one of the best centres in the competition if he can stay injury free.

He has all the attributes and is still a young kid.

His positives as a centre are much clearer to me than Rhys Evans's were.

Me too, I think he's a classy player, I like the way he attacks with intent and will keep a play alive without panicking, he does need to develop his game but only game time can sort that now really. I think Charnley is a perfect partner for him at this stage of his career, its testament to both of them how that edge looks dangerous already.

I think we have it there, in a nutshell.
Yes, he got a couple of tries on Friday. Well played to the lad. There's not wrong with being "Johnny on the spot". Ian Sibbitt got a contract at Melbourne Storm through it.

As I said on another thread, Atkins is now ready, and our 3/4 line will be Lineham/Goodwin/Atkins/Charnley. I know it, you know it. For his flaws, Atkins is still head and shoulders above King, and now King should take his place on the bench. As I said before (again, on another thread), our right edge defence worries me like mad. We had the piddle taken out of it, v Wakey all game, and the Wids two first half tries were there , too. T King is complicit in this.

The lad has potential, don't get me wrong. But too many times he panics, and takes the wrong option, as biscuit has alluded to, earlier.

The two tries he scored will increase his confidence. Good. Hopefully, Price will pick him up on the poor options he takes. If he does, King will improve, which is what we all want.