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| Quote ="rubber duckie"I’m giving Widdop until 12 games in before I pass judgement on him.
However I’m gunning on Austin... I took a backlash for the mere question that he wasn’t putting in a £10k per game performance.
Well he wasn’t...and he still isn’t but a few of you are seeing the woods behind the trees
He came here with the reputation he switched on and switched off and coach’s got fed up with it, and dropped him or played him off the bench. A running self creating back not a creative hands back.
Has the rain washed away the magic on his hat to reveal leopard spots beneath?'"
yet Austin is still 10x the player Patton is.
he isnt playing well, but we have seen he CAN play well..... lets be honest, no one is playing well in this current price regime.
At the moment he is cutting a pretty dejected and frustrated player.
I will judge him when we have a competent coach.
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| My god he's 3 games in, the whole team have been poor for the past 3 games so you can't point a finger at Widdop and say he's not pulling his weight as the whole team isn't. I watched him against Toronto and he played really well, great reads, good defensively, took the line on and some good kicks. Point the finger at the forwards, as a side from Philbin our forwards haven't really kicked in yet. Once we sort our attitude and forward pack Widdop will come in to his own. Austin hasn't done anything so far this year so where's his thread?
On another note i don't understand why Burrell keeps making the team, other than we're paying him a big wage. Give Kibula a go or throw Latu on the bench they can't be any worse and may actually be better?
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| Forgive me for sensing a touch of deja vu here, but I'm feeling vibes of 2009 here...
'That Monaghan is rubbish, get shut'... 'King??... absolutely stealing a wage - get shut'....
I get the feeling it's going to take a similar solution to rectify things too. Sack the coach, fetch in a decent guy, with a successful pedigree and start getting a tune out of a squad which should be performing far better than it presently is.
One can only hope the change is made in time to actually keep this season alive.
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| It's ok to blame Widdop and Austin, but no half back looks good behind an ineffective pack. I don't care who they are. The close call at Wigan and the nilling of Saints showed that we had a team who can play and show passion and commitment. Where has that disappeared to in recent weeks? Seems to me that there is unrest and disharmony among the team since the opening matches? Odd that the downward spiral began when Ashton was replaced by Widdop. Am I on the right track here?
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| It's ok to blame Widdop and Austin, but no half back looks good behind an ineffective pack. I don't care who they are. The close call at Wigan and the nilling of Saints showed that we had a team who can play and show passion and commitment. Where has that disappeared to in recent weeks? Seems to me that there is unrest and disharmony among the team since the opening matches? Odd that the downward spiral began when Ashton was replaced by Widdop. Am I on the right track here?
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"Forgive me for sensing a touch of deja vu here, but I'm feeling vibes of 2009 here...
'That Monaghan is rubbish, get shut'... 'King??... absolutely stealing a wage - get shut'....
I get the feeling it's going to take a similar solution to rectify things too. Sack the coach, fetch in a decent guy, with a successful pedigree and start getting a tune out of a squad which should be performing far better than it presently is.
One can only hope the change is made in time to actually keep this season alive.'"
Spot on, this 100% Smith came in and made the players play to their potential, we need some of that now. If there are players who are causing an issue then the coach needs to be ruthless with them. Smith very quickly set his stall out and the players quickly got on board with it. I wish now he had left us before it went sour (he always said coaches had a shelf life and was spot on) and we could have brought him back in again in the future once he'd refreshed himself.
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| Quote ="exeastender"Seems to me that there is unrest and disharmony among the team since the opening matches? Odd that the downward spiral began when Ashton was replaced by Widdop. Am I on the right track here?'"
Maybe. Equally, you could argue that the downward spiral began after the Gelling business happened.
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| Widdop was interviewed by sky after yesterdays embarrassment he looked as tho he was off to a photo shoot not a spot of dirt on him...lazy uninterested so and so...should of got hastings instead of this mercenary...
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| Widdop was supposed to be the icing on the cake / the final piece of the jigsaw. Currently we have no cake and half the pieces of the jigsaw are missing
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| Quote ="The Railwayman"Widdop was supposed to be the icing on the cake / the final piece of the jigsaw. Currently we have no cake and half the pieces of the jigsaw are missing'"
I think only 1 piece of the jigsaw is missing...and that is more frustrating than half!
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| Quote ="The Railwayman"Widdop was supposed to be the icing on the cake / the final piece of the jigsaw. Currently we have no cake and half the pieces of the jigsaw are missing'"
And currently the lid of the box has a picture from a completely different jigsaw on it
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| Quote ="exeastender"It's ok to blame Widdop and Austin, but no half back looks good behind an ineffective pack. I don't care who they are. '"
Langer and Briers managed to shine behind a pack of
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Farrar
Nutley
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Nikau
Other than Nutley, which of those is better than what we have now?
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Langer and Briers managed to shine behind a pack of
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Other than Nutley, which of those is better than what we have now?'"
Nutley isn't better than any of our current pack. Typical wire, making a hero out of a bang average player.
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| McCurrie played for Warrington ?I must've missed that.Just don't remember it.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Langer and Briers managed to shine behind a pack of
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Other than Nutley, which of those is better than what we have now?'"
Are you smoking something?
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"Nutley isn't better than any of our current pack. Typical wire, making a hero out of a bang average player.'"
He played State of Origin and was one of the top props in the NRL. Not one of our current front row would be able to play at that standard.
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| Nutley was very decent - certainly the equal of any prop we have right now.
Nikau, though past his best with us, was still better than Jason Clark. And any second rower in our last 40 years could offer more than Ben Currie does since his injury.
Throw in that BMM isn't capable of putting in an 80 minute display and you have to start to wonder if talk of us having a top level pack is actually true - Daryl Clark is head and shoulders above everybody else in the side, never mind the pack.
Our half backs might indeed need to be behind a strong pack, but sometimes it is upto them to take a grip themselves - too many of our team seem to lack confidence to actually lead... flat track bullies sadly springs to mind. All fine if things fall into place, but first sign of adversity and they shrivel off into their shells and look to find excuses.
Sadly, I think this all stems from the man laying the plans and he needs to be seriously looked at with regards to his position at the club.
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter" you have to start to wonder if talk of us having a top level pack is actually true - Daryl Clark is head and shoulders above everybody else in the side, never mind the pack.'"
Does anybody actually think we have a top level pack?
We've had this excuse of "playing behind a beaten pack" for three seasons now and we haven't recruited any significant forwards.
Hill, Cooper and Currie are past their best though they were all very good players at one point.
BMM, Philbin - good on their day.
Jason Clark - like Asotasi, a player who Souths moved on for a reason.
The interchange fodder - lower table SL calibre at best, possibly Championship.
Daryl Clark is the only real class act.
With our pack, Price might have even overachieved, winning a Challenge Cup and getting to 3 out of 4 finals since he's been here.
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| I raised the subject about our pack in the Price out thread. As my mates in the South stand will testify I've said for a few years our props don't take us forward like other teams but are picked because they play long minutes hence the reason we always have to resort to the up and under on the opponents 40 yd line where the opposition seem to have us defending on our 10 after their set of 6. How we managed to nil Saints barely a month ago is baffling. We even had Louis Johnson as replacement prop on Friday! However at least he looks more bothered than the rest....he reminds me of Wedge. You might not like Sita but at least he makes an impact and scatters a few of the opposition. Long season ahead.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Does anybody actually think we have a top level pack?
We've had this excuse of "playing behind a beaten pack" for three seasons now and we haven't recruited any significant forwards.
Hill, Cooper and Currie are past their best though they were all very good players at one point.
BMM, Philbin - good on their day.
Jason Clark - like Asotasi, a player who Souths moved on for a reason.
The interchange fodder - lower table SL calibre at best, possibly Championship.
Daryl Clark is the only real class act.
With our pack, Price might have even overachieved, winning a Challenge Cup and getting to 3 out of 4 finals since he's been here.'"
Spot on. An ageing/deteriorating front row that needed some attention for the last couple of years.
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| An ongoing problem with the Wire is that too many teams make more ground than us on their sets of six so we get the ball back in the wrong part of the field.
On Friday our attack consisted of nothing more than lateral passing movements with no one having the drive to take a chance on breaking the defensive line.
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| Quote ="Big Ask"Spot on. An ageing/deteriorating front row that needed some attention for the last couple of years.'"
And spot on again.
I been saying it for a couple of seasons now.
And as well as that, there is a lot of cap tied up there on long term contracts, which just isn’t giving value for money, and wants better using.
Hill and Cooper need moving on, Clark needs a dose of Widnes.
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| Quote ="ninearches"An ongoing problem with the Wire is that too many teams make more ground than us on their sets of six so we get the ball back in the wrong part of the field.
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Our defence doesn't move up quickly enough and this allows opposition to make up many easy yards over the course of the match. It also means that players like Hurrell are hitting our line at speed.
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| Quote ="Wincham Wire"I raised the subject about our pack in the Price out thread. As my mates in the South stand will testify I've said for a few years our props don't take us forward like other teams but are picked because they play long minutes hence the reason we always have to resort to the up and under on the opponents 40 yd line where the opposition seem to have us defending on our 10 after their set of 6. How we managed to nil Saints barely a month ago is baffling. We even had Louis Johnson as replacement prop on Friday! However at least he looks more bothered than the rest....he reminds me of Wedge. You might not like Sita but at least he makes an impact and scatters a few of the opposition. Long season ahead.'"
Johnson is very Wainwright like, maybe a move to second row could be great for him?
And yeah our bench isn't great at all, better now that Philbin is on the bench but not a great bench week in week out. I'd much rather have Sita than Burrell on the bench. Burrell plays what about 20 mins a game from what i see of him, so i'd rather have Sita skittling players for 20 mins than Burrell ambling about. I pray to God Latu will be the forward we've been crying out for the past 5 -6 years but i REALLY don't think he's gonna do much for us at all.
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| Quote ="fartown since 1961"Glad you out bid us for Widdop and we got Sezer
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Would you like rice or chapati with your instant karma?
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