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| Quote ="wire-till-i-die"well said , que the leeds fans defending the cheap shot coward'"
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| Quote ="Rhinoshaund III"sleepy.gif'"
Sleepy, you may be. Simple facts remain. Bailey is a 'bottom sausage' of the highest order.
He doesn't have ONE redeeming quality as a RL player.
He even has a thread of his own on the Leeds board, discussing how much of a turd he is, and many Leeds specs have washed their hands of him.
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"Sleepy, you may be. Simple facts remain. Bailey is a 'bottom sausage' of the highest order.
He doesn't have ONE redeeming quality as a RL player.
He even has a thread of his own on the Leeds board, discussing how much of a turd he is, and many Leeds specs have washed their hands of him.'"
I am pretty tired, had a busy weekend,
However, the yawn, was in response at the desperation for an influx of Leeds fans to respond to the obvious fish hook minus any decent bait.
Ill neither defend nor berate him in the same way a Wigan fan denies any wrongdoing by Tomkins, a Wire fan would have you believe Briers is an angel or a Saints fan would tell you Sculthorpe was a genuine Saint.
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| One thing is for certain though,
He gets fans of other clubs wound up to a monumental degree,
but just lately hes got under the skins of a number of players who rightly or wrongly have vented their frustration publicly.
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| I absolutely cannot stand Ryan Bailey, but the last time he played for GB I thought he did pretty well.
I'm also not against seeing us (England) try and ruffle Australia & NZ, as I'm not sure we are going to tip toe around them. When we battered NZ 3-0 a couple of years ago, Burgess had Moi Moi at it etc, all fired up. I think their eye can be taken of the ball so he may just have a purpose.
As for him personally, nobody will ever convince me he's anything other than a tool.
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| Bailey is a thug and a coward.
His alleged off field antics only support this.
Our sport doesn't need him.
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| Got to agree with LG here. Bailey is a first class tool, see his cheap shot on Chris Riley at Wembley for evidence. But Jon Wilkin? Come on, this bloke is a serious whingebag. In fact, wasn't it him who went snitching to the ref about Lima in the first game of the season and demanded he put him on report. If he was so wound up about Bailey, why didn't he do something about it there and then instead of whining about it in a newspaper? Probably because the last time he started on a leeds player, Keith Senior dropped him with one punch.
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| Quote ="fez1"Bailey is a thug and a coward.
His alleged off field antics only support this.
Our sport doesn't need him.'"
Bailey is thuggish. But then so are alot of Superleague players.
Coward. "A person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things."
Anyone who plays RL cannot be described as a coward regardless.
Yes, our sport does need him for this exact reason!
What would we be talking about right now? What would Jon Wilkin & Jamie Foster have to whinge about?
He gets under players skins, he puts them off, distracts them, gets penalties,
And as a Leeds fan, hes had his best season yet
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"Got to agree with LG here. Bailey is a first class tool, see his cheap shot on Chris Riley at Wembley for evidence. But Jon Wilkin? Come on, this bloke is a serious whingebag. In fact, wasn't it him who went snitching to the ref about Lima in the first game of the season and demanded he put him on report. If he was so wound up about Bailey, why didn't he do something about it there and then instead of whining about it in a newspaper? Probably because the last time he started on a leeds player, Keith Senior dropped him with one punch.'"
Or because he isn't a two bit thug, maybe?
If I recall correctly Wilkin was asking the ref to get control of the game, at MM, because lima was doing several bad tackles and, what do you know, Wilkin was proven right and Lima has been doin those tactics all year and has copped many bans for it.
Can't argue with that, really. Only a wigan fan would (cause they think their team is full of angels)
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| He might not be a out and out coward but he does have a yellow streak, typical flat-track bully.
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"Got to agree with LG here. Bailey is a first class tool, see his cheap shot on Chris Riley at Wembley for evidence. But Jon Wilkin? Come on, this bloke is a serious whingebag. In fact, wasn't it him who went snitching to the ref about Lima in the first game of the season and demanded he put him on report. If he was so wound up about Bailey, why didn't he do something about it there and then instead of whining about it in a newspaper? Probably because the last time he started on a leeds player, Keith Senior dropped him with one punch.'"
Well done to Wilkin i say. Lima's tackling technique at the start of the season was a disgrace. And he has started doing it again at the back end of the season. He did a really bad one on Jonny Lomax in the 65th min of the game at the Stobart and got away with it. Thing is, he knows what hes doing and will keep doing it as long as he keeps getting away with it.
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| Bailey has had a very good season. I think people's judgements on him are very much clouded by their hatred towards him.
I admit he can be a bit of a tool at times but any incident he is involved in or even in close proximity with he is castigated by totally conflicting and hysterical outbursts. He gets called a coward when he punches people, he gets called a coward if he doesn't punch somebody. The elbow drop on Riley was absolutely ridiculous by the way and i cringed when he did it but he's also handed out a fairshare to big "hard" players aswell.
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| Being a former prop myself, I've always appreciated the enforcers of the game. Boyd, Barrie Mac, Brian Mac, O'Connor, Farrell, Cowie, Skerrett, Morley, Gee, Tallis, Webke, Nikau. But one thing separates these legends from Bailey, it's only ever the little guy he picks on, and when it all kicks off, he's the first one out of the back door, hiding behind a wall of players, pointing. Look back to some of our more "successful" (used very loosely), challenges at TriNations, and you'll find that we used to get in there and ruffle them good and proper, nice British hardnut stuff, always a scrap involving Scully, Faz, Fielden etc, lifted the crowd, team, and got the oppo distracted. This for me, is what we're lacking currently in the national setup. If Bailey could standup to the big men, he could be, quite literally, a useful tool. A minor mentalist if you will, willing to do our dirty bidding, but the annoying thing is, he doesn't have the minerals.
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| Quote ="Timmy the Koi"Being a former prop myself, I've always appreciated the enforcers of the game. Boyd, Barrie Mac, Brian Mac, O'Connor, Farrell, Cowie, Skerrett, Morley, Gee, Tallis, Webke, Nikau. But one thing separates these legends from Bailey, it's only ever the little guy he picks on, and when it all kicks off, he's the first one out of the back door, hiding behind a wall of players, pointing. Look back to some of our more "successful" (used very loosely), challenges at TriNations, and you'll find that we used to get in there and ruffle them good and proper, nice British hardnut stuff, always a scrap involving Scully, Faz, Fielden etc, lifted the crowd, team, and got the oppo distracted. This for me, is what we're lacking currently in the national setup. If Bailey could standup to the big men, he could be, quite literally, a useful tool. A minor mentalist if you will, willing to do our dirty bidding, but the annoying thing is, he doesn't have the minerals.'"
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| Quote ="Les Norton"Bailey has had a very good season. I think people's judgements on him are very much clouded by their hatred towards him.
I admit he can be a bit of a tool at times but any incident he is involved in or even in close proximity with he is castigated by totally conflicting and hysterical outbursts. He gets called a coward when he punches people, he gets called a coward if he doesn't punch somebody. The elbow drop on Riley was absolutely ridiculous by the way and i cringed when he did it but he's also handed out a fairshare to big "hard" players aswell...'"
like?
I;ve seen him pick on small people and hide (in fact, he did that not a week ago)
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| Jon Wilkin is to share a room with Ryan Bailey in the England camp according to McNamara. Surely this is a wind up?
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| That's what you want, them settling their differences over a best of three on Streetfighter II.
'Hadouken'.
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| Quote ="JWP"That's what you want, them settling their differences over a best of three on Streetfighter II.
'Hadouken'.'"
There'd still be complaints by Wilkin that button bashin' ain't fair!
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| Quote ="oli30045"Jon Wilkin is to share a room with Ryan Bailey in the England camp according to McNamara. Surely this is a wind up?'"
Wont be true
But I've got images of Steve Martin and John Candy in Planes Trains and Automobiles in my head, now
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| Quote ="Rhinoshaund III"Bailey is thuggish. But then so are alot of Superleague players.
Coward. "A person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things."
Anyone who plays RL cannot be described as a coward regardless.
Yes, our sport does need him for this exact reason!
What would we be talking about right now? What would Jon Wilkin & Jamie Foster have to whinge about?
He gets under players skins, he puts them off, distracts them, gets penalties,
And as a Leeds fan, hes had his best season yet
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My defintion is somewhat different -
Thug - someone who has repeatedly gone for cheap shots on players half his size eg Chris Riley after the final whistle at Wembley - and there are many more examples I could give.
Coward - someone who runs away from trouble when it comes at them from a big guy, but who dishes it out to smaller guys when they think they can get away with it.
Our sport needs him like a hole in the head.
''What would we be talking about right now?'' Actually I'd prefer to be talking about how brilliantly Rob Burrow played and how fantastic Sinfield has been with the boot this year.
''What would Jon Wilkin & Jamie Foster have to whinge about?'' They wouldn't need to whinge. They'd just be getting on with their lives.
I honestly believe that you'd be better off without him.
And I am astounded that Steve Mac has him in the squad.
I'd easily have Morley, Carvell, Graham, Peacock, Crabtree or Lynch before Bailey.
Bailey falls into the Leon Pryce category - a totally unlikable individual - both on and off the field. There are a few others but most of them are not now playing at the top level.
Team dynamics are very important - the Wigan/Saints rift in the Engtland squad a few years ago when TS was head coach was a disaster. Bailey's inclusion isn't at that level but it's an unwanted distraction.
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| Quote ="oli30045"Jon Wilkin is to share a room with Ryan Bailey in the England camp according to McNamara. Surely this is a wind up?'"
Is this from the spoof twitter account set up in his name?
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Nope, was tweeted by Yorkshire RL radio page.
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| Quote ="fez1"My defintion is somewhat different -
Thug - someone who has repeatedly gone for cheap shots on players half his size eg Chris Riley after the final whistle at Wembley - and there are many more examples I could give.
Coward - someone who runs away from trouble when it comes at them from a big guy, but who dishes it out to smaller guys when they think they can get away with it.
Our sport needs him like a hole in the head.
''What would we be talking about right now?'' Actually I'd prefer to be talking about how brilliantly Rob Burrow played and how fantastic Sinfield has been with the boot this year.
''What would Jon Wilkin & Jamie Foster have to whinge about?'' They wouldn't need to whinge. They'd just be getting on with their lives.
I honestly believe that you'd be better off without him.
And I am astounded that Steve Mac has him in the squad.
I'd easily have Morley, Carvell, Graham, Peacock, Crabtree or Lynch before Bailey.
Bailey falls into the Leon Pryce category - a totally unlikable individual - both on and off the field. There are a few others but most of them are not now playing at the top level.
Team dynamics are very important - the Wigan/Saints rift in the Engtland squad a few years ago when TS was head coach was a disaster. Bailey's inclusion isn't at that level but it's an unwanted distraction.'"
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| Quote ="oli30045"Jon Wilkin is to share a room with Ryan Bailey in the England camp according to McNamara. Surely this is a wind up?'"
According to Sky they're all loved up now aaahh.
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