you did notice that one team was in a more difficult group than the other? And the other was effectively playing at home. ...? You are one switched on individual. .

A slight over reaction I think - Agar is coming in to be Smiths assistant - one of the first team coaches - in the same way that Poching and Marshall are - and tbf, they don't have a massive impact on the real decision making!

Smith & Moran KNOW what they doing - having watched my team for 35+ years, and seeing the transformation under these guys, I know, given the choice between their thoughts and yours, who's I'll be trusting!!!!

Whether he's poop or not - he will still be working for Smith, and he will still be the real decision maker. He's come to be an assistant, and learn. I have no worries about it - certainly not until the end of 2016 - then we will see!

Its an interesting point you make regarding "I want to leave I want to go somewhere and compete" - its a little bit like Jack Duckworth saying I don't want to sleep with Vera anymore I want to sleep with Cindy Crawford. Or maybe like me leaving school with four low grade GCSE's and saying "I don't want to go to Worksop College of further Education I want to go to Harvard"
You guys are in for a real treat with Richard - my god I am still totally amazed - that said I am delighted we no longer have to suffer with him at the helm. As I write I am still laughing out loud at this absolutely incredible news - honestly guys and this is no wind up it really is the most unbelievable news I have ever heard - he is awful ask the thousands of Wakey fans and the significantly greater thousands of Hull FC fans. Hull being a club that spent the full cap with a larger than average fan base and income where he was in charge for years and very much in a position to "compete" - but alas he made a dogs dinner of it - and made the club a laughing stock.
I still can not get over this news it is bizarre in the extreme

TS will be in charge and Agar will be there to implement the regimes, training methods etc that TS wants. Agar will have his input and will bring some new things to the club, but it will be TS that has the final say.

I'm amazed at how angry you are with Agar.

Your club has more issues than just him, hence why he left a head coach position to become an assistant. He has ambition and wants to learn from the best and IMPROVE. He couldn't do that at a bottom-table club like Wakefield.

I think you need to come off the internet for a while and have a rest.

Totally admire your dogmatic stance on this - I assume that you are still of the belief that the world is actually flat and not the sphere that is has been proved to be. It is sometimes a sign of strength to acknowledge that you are wrong and have made a mistake especially when faced with what in my opinion is a pretty conclusive argument based on fact. Five hours and twenty minutes where you score a total of 3 tries and your only win was by 1 point against PNG for a squad full of SL players playing for a nation that year on year had made good progress is my friend pretty desperate - still like you say it was the Welsh who underperformed - because they with their predominantly part time players were playing at HOME!!!!!! - your good my friend but not quite Carling. Please any other posters who agree with the biscuit let yourselves be known!!!!!

Bottom of the table club - yep, that's been us for a long time now but never have we seen such a diabolical shambles on the pitch as we have had under him - no heart - no guts no desire and no idea. I am not angry any more - I like all of the other Wakey fans are over the moon he has gone. As for him still wanting to learn and improve that is indeed admirable, however it is akin to Cyrill Smith turning up at Lester Piggotts house and declaring I want to learn how to be a great jockey.
Smith is a tried tested proven top quality coach who I respect and admire - my god I hope for your sake he stays around for a long time and lets Richard nowhere near the team.

Just a few small points that you appear to have overlooked. 1, Why has done well with the French over the past 25 years? No-one. 2. Who has done well with Hull over the past 15 years? Possibly john Kear, but certainly no-one else. 3. Did Agar coach Wakefield almost to extinction? No, you may remember the names Ted richardson and Andrew Glover. Agar built up a reasonable side on the cheap after the Richardson debacle, and then tried to build another side with virtually nothing after Glover pulled out. No-one could be anything near successful under those circumstances.

1st point first then

I look at France RL in a similar way to the Italian RU development - when Italy joined the six nations they were tonked week in week out but over the years gradually made tangible improvements to the point where they are no longer a push over for any of the northern hemosphere teams - this is how I saw frances development they were getting better year on year then Agar did the World cup where they were abysmal (do you not think they underperformed - sure nobody thought they would win it but come on there performance was awful and not in keeping with the progress they had been making)

2nd point
Kear (a great coach in my opinion - who incidently put out a competitive side at wakey who rolled over for nobody on around 60% of the money spent on salaries that Agar has spent year on year over the last 3 years) - Brought the first real silverware to the Hull club by winning the challenge cup against Leeds. Agar couldn't carry Kears jockstrap.

3rd point
Under Glover
The side we assembled was not on the cheap at all - that's why we ended up in the mess - players been given long term contracts on big bucks.
Under Richardson
The side we assembled was on the cheap with lots of kids and old timers whos best was behind them -Kear got them to perform to the best of their abilities and this was all we could hope for.

Rico. Don't feed the Troll. This one doesn't know when to stop eating.

Yep - I become a troll when I answer all of your point logically and politely - my sense is that you feel a little deflated that you've been presented with a valid counter argument and are unable to pick holes in it. I will disappear as I do not wish to offend anybody, good luck for the rest of the season.

I'm bored with this Worksop Geezer now.

Teesside I know I know but I'll be gone after this one honest....heading home after a long hard day at the 'office' (that's my analogy for Forum btw)

Anyway Worksop, I think we all understand where you were coming from, even with your side stepping, clever clogs analogies, but, why anyone would glean from your post that you, someone with 4 low grade GCSE's, hang on is that real or another analogy? Oh go on then I doubt it's real if pushed for an opinion more like you've amassed 2, wouldn't have 'made it' to Worksop College of FE is beyond my observational powers...I was giving you the benefit of the doubt!!

It seems that it was misplaced, tatty bye

Yawn...I stopped reading at "Swear"

I understand the Wakey fan now. He clearly is annoyed at agar ruining Bobby Gouldings great work. As I remember it France got trounced by the England Knights team and then Goulding ended up getting ed up at an international awards nights in front of the world's media. Punching Ganson in the ribs and embarrassing the French captain as part of this great French improvement.

How did they sneak under the radar as the world greatest international team going into last years world cup.

You stick to your guns fella - strange how none of the Wire fans on your own forum when asked did not concur with your view that the part time Welsh team were greater under performers than the full time French squad who amassed a huge 3 tries in 5 hours twenty mins . Your a good lad thanks for the laughs!
Should we do a poll to see who agrees with you? and lets have a few quid on it.

You see, neither do we, you understand the concept of a No.2?

No i don't metaphorically mean Belle Vue, i mean the guy who isn't No.1

We have a No.2 who is probably better than any other clubs No.2 on top of having a No.1 who is probably better than any other clubs No.1.

Can you see now why we don't care?

Would you have Poching as his replacement at Wakefield? think deep and long and answer that with sincerity not bravado.

We are totally skint and in my opinion this has led to the appointment of Webster as our new coach.
I doubt that there is a better head coach in super league than Tony Smith. he appears to be not only an outstanding coach but a man of great integrity a fantastic role model.

In relation to your question would I have Poaching as a replacement for Agar, I can HONESTLY say without bravado I would have preferred ANYBODY to Agar.

Spot on Yed, spot on.

Got to disagree with point 2. Peter Sharp took hull to a second place finish and a grand final appearance. I've still no idea why they got rid of him.

bottom line is Agar has at least 2 years to learn the ropes and perhaps longer if TS takes out a further extended deal which has hasn't written off.

So nowt to worry about.

forgive my ignorance but what is lee briers role now and wouldnt he be a decent choice of assistant given that he has 2 years to learn from tony smith

Head Coach of the U19's and was sent down under pre-season to get fast-tracked training. He's already on the path I believe.