The Dudson one was probably only just a penalty. He made contact over the shoulder, on the ball but as Monaghan started going down it just about went around his neck.

Hardly worth mentioning.

if flower one on the other hand? highly suspicious

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"He pleaded guilty in Feb this year so he can't take the egp and won't be able to until Oct 2014. www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/disciplinary/item?4147'" He wasn't eligible to take the EGP then as it states further down. He just pleaded guilty on this occasion without taking the EGP. So I assume its 12 months so unless he has used it since March this year he can take EGP. "Under the RFL Disciplinary Guidelines you are not eligible to take an Early Guilty Plea due to a 1 match suspension you received on the 26th March 2012"

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"He pleaded guilty in Feb this year so he can't take the egp and won't be able to until Oct 2014. www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/disciplinary/item?4147'" He wasn't eligible to take the EGP then as it states further down. He just pleaded guilty on this occasion without taking the EGP. So I assume its 12 months so unless he has used it since March this year he can take EGP. "Under the RFL Disciplinary Guidelines you are not eligible to take an Early Guilty Plea due to a 1 match suspension you received on the 26th March 2012"

I am almost certain he can't take the egp as he has had another suspension early this year. You have to have had a clean record for at least twelve months.

Because it was a "legal" tackle, do you not understand that?

Apparently every single tackle Warrington made in that final was illegal, and every Wigan tackle was legal. Isn't that what's being said....

The only mention of tackles is coming from Wire fans. What about Hansen attacking the knee? It was the hip. Oh right, well what about Dudson? He hit the shoulder and ball. Well what about Flower? Are you lot going to work your way through our team sheet until you find something? Maybe you could have a go at Pat for attacking Cooper's swinging arm with his face.

Does any of this matter now?

Westwood was naughty and will get punished end of!

There were other tackles that are these days deemed high shots when they actually are just arms and such slipping over the ball. They are however dealt with on the day either by the "on report " kop out route or by this and a penalty.

The Hansen thing is viewable form both points and can be construed as an accident or intentional. The committee have viewed it accidental, end of!

Theres a constant stream of high shots every week and the resulting penalties are actually reducing this. The way to stop what Hansen alledgedlly did is to outlaw tackling in that manner. Only tackling held up players above waist height, anything below is auto Sin Bin just like the late challenge on the kicker.

No matter what we put in as a rule someone will always break it, but if the punishment is sevre enough the instance will reduce.

thanks for proving my point

Surely the difference is INTENT. Dudson was actually going for the ball - but missed. It was a penalty and no more. Hansen's tackle wasn't illegal - the ref saw it clearly.

He didn't see the punch by Westwood. Quite what the mitigating circumstances are I've no idea.

Probably best to make a joke of it like Shaun Wane did, saying Green should have got up quicker. Wane showed a lot more class than Tony Smith. He never moans about foul play as he recognises that in RL you give it and you take it. Which is what Wigan did and what Warrington apparently can't do.

Hmm. Is this the same Shaun Wane who was complaining about wanting Tomkins to get more protection from referees and if he didn't, "whatever happens to Sam, I'll make sure that our defenders do the same"?

Yeah, real classy guy who never moans about foul play.

Jesus wept.

Its the shaun wane who 90% of the time he's on sky, can be seen mouthing F bombs.

I am guessing that in your mind, Hock's eye gouging, drug taking or thist throwing at the Magic Weekend (three examples off the top of my head) had no impact on the "fine upstanding club" that is Wigan Warriors?

Anyway he got one match. Argument over.

What i do find disturbing is the amount of serious injuries that Wire players have sustained in Wigan games over the last few years.

Matt King serious neck injury

David Solomona serious knee injury due to dubious tackle in CC semi a couple of years ago .

Stef Ratchford ankle injury due to shoulder charge to hip 2013 SL Final.

I would hate to think there is a policy at Wigan to eliminate opponents by fair means or foul .

Does make you wonder about flower's high tackle on monas with his first touch of the ball on saturday.

monas who's got previous for destroying them from dummy half.....coincidence much?

Most players deliberately trying to injure an opponent risk getting sent off. I'm not sure it's a risk many coaches would take.

If you look back over the season Wigan have suffered as many injuries as any other Super League team. They started the year off playing second choice pack for about the first 10 games.

Why don't you accept that injuries are part of a contact sport? All teams suffer them - not just yours. Do you seriously think there is some big conspiracy against Warrington?

For example Blake Green suffered a serious ankle injury himself against Hull KR back in April, due to a shoulder charge (by Paterson). He fell awkwardly just like Ratchford did.

Yes & there was also an eye gouging incident in the same CC semi !

Re getting sent off for causing a serious injury....some of the refs can't even see knock ons , offside & forward passes so how can a ref tell if any injury was caused deliberately....that's why we have the review panel.

Like i said , i would hate to think a team would target players deliberately ,but coincidencies can stack up.

Yes they can. And that's what they stay - coincidences. We could all trawl back through the archives and come up with incidents of deliberate punching, gouging, high shots etc. what does that achieve?

Do you seriously think that Wigan deliberately go out to injure opponents?

Because funny how none of this was mentioned prior to the Grand final. Mentioning it after seems like sour grapes don't you think?

Yeah, I vaguely recall that thread. Wasn't the entire contents Wigan fans wanting Paterson banned for the length of time that Green was out injured? As I recall, every Wigan fan on that thread was absolutely outraged, was calling it a disgusting challenge.

Was that challenge similar to the one on Ratchford by Hansen? (bear in mind I've not seen the Ratchford challenge yet)

What i have a problem with is that my view of the tackle was that one player had grabbed Ratchford so it would be more logical for Hanson to go high & help his team mate to stop Ratch getting the ball out to supporting players ,which i am sure you will agree is what we try to do at every opportunity. At that moment a tackle round the legs looked illogical.

It wasn't even vaguely similar. Which isn't really the point anyway. I was using it as an example of how teams have to put up with injuries in the sport - or do you still feel that Warrington are the only team challenged in this way?

In any case considering the start of the GF in which Westwood assaulted Green, it is a bit rich for Warrington fans to feel quite so aggreived. You gave it out - be prepared to take it back - stop being so soft.

Incidently before this goes any further if you care to look on the Wigan boards check out the thread "Briers" during which I support your man as a player and play down the punch on Ablett as insignificant.

I'm quite sure that Shaun Wane doesn't tell Wigan players to deliberately injure opponents in the same way that Tony Smith doesn't encourage Warrington players to punch opponents when their back is turned or laying on the floor.

Wane was assistant to Maguire. Who was accused of coaching techniques to try and injure players.

Same coaching technique that Nathan Brown practised at Huddersfield.

Which doesn't make it right.